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BonesJones said:
Pretty good idea. Could replace Seth as the shooter off the bench.
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Could you imagine hearing that there was a trade between us and New Orleans this summer and then seeing that AD or Jrue weren't a part of it? I'd be so pissed.
 
hoopsjock said:
Could you imagine hearing that there was a trade between us and New Orleans this summer and then seeing that AD or Jrue weren't a part of it? I'd be so pissed.
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what if the Blazers are a part of it and its a 3 team trade that sends AD to LAL?
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Don't know why I never noticed this before, but are you a forum admin or something? I believe Xen Foro is a forum software package based on php (could be wrong about that). Here I go derailing to nerd again.
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I was once a commoner such as yourself. However, after millennia of diligence, I have transcended what you mortals call "consciousness" to become the ultimate Master of Xen Foro, itself.

cough, cack, cough.
I mean, I just noticed that when I log in from a certain computer, I'd get a message about the forums being Xen Foro. So, I thought I'd be another s2 smartass and change my occupation :)
 
hoopsjock said:
Could you imagine hearing that there was a trade between us and New Orleans this summer and then seeing that AD or Jrue weren't a part of it? I'd be so pissed.
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I'd assume the worst so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

I would definitely be down for something for Jrue at the draft. But I also want to keep open the possibility of a sign-and-trade for a free agent this summer.

Then again, Jrue's contract barely matches a 30%-MAX contract ($32.7M), and could actually entice teams to sign-and-trade a player to us. Looking specifically as Philadelphia with Butler or Harris.

Hell, that might be the way to go. Try and land Jrue at the draft for something like this:
- Evan Turner
- Moe Harkless or Meyers Leonard
- Gary Trent Jr.
- Two Firsts (#25 and 2021 1st?)
- Two 2nds (2020 and 2022)
- 5M Cash

Then hopefully we could sign-and-trade for Tobias Harris by sending Philadelphia Jrue Holiday. Because they'd be losing Tobias for nothing, we might be able to recoup a pick from Philadelphia if they want Holiday bad enough (he started there). Faced with losing Tobias and the opportunity to get Jrue Holiday for a pick in the 20s, I think they'd jump at it.

PHI Gets: Jrue Holiday
POR Gets: Tobias Harris, 2020 OKC 1st

At that point, we're hard-capped and close to it, so then we go to Atlanta and work out that Taurean Prince trade.
ATL Gets: Moe Harkless or Meyers Leonard (whichever is left)
POR Gets: Taurean Prince.

Portland's payroll would be apx. $119.5M. At that point, resign Hood for $8.5M with the MLE, Layman for $4M (two years, PO for 2nd?), sign Kyle O'Quinn to the minimum. Brings it up to apx. $133.9M with 3 roster spots to fill with the remaining ~$4.4M under the hard cap.
Lillard (36) / Simons (12)
McCollum (36) / Hood (12)
Hood (20) / Prince (28)
Harris (34) / Layman (14) / Labissiere
Collins (27) / O'Quinn (21) / Nurkic*

When Nurkic gets back:
Lillard (36) / Simons (12)
McCollum (36) / Hood (12)
Hood (20) / Prince (28) / Layman
Harris (33) / Collins (15) / Labissiere
Nurkic (26) / O'Quinn (15) / Collins (7)

If we couldn't do that Prince trade, then you try shedding Leonard's or Harkless' contract with that pick so we could make space for Hood. Layman would play SF off the bench and you'd have Labissiere getting minutes at backup PF instead.​
 
BonesJones said:
F That.

Then again, if it's going to happen anyway and we can benefit, then do it.
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Jrue to Portland!
3 guard rotation along with ending the game with Lillard/CJ/Jrue on the court.

Fuck getting a forward who can score. Jrue is a good enough defender.


Will never happen but I can dream.
 
One reading hoopshype the owner for the pelicans said over her dead body that she approved a trade that send Davis to the Lakers.
 
My scenario above brings up and interesting question though.

Who would people rather have?

Jrue Holiday playing 30min a game off the bench as a 3rd guard for $26M?
Or Tobias Harris playing 35min a game as the starting PF for $32.7M?

I'd rather have Harris, but it's close.
 
James lamphear said:
One reading hoopshype the owner for the pelicans said over her dead body that she approved a trade that send Davis to the Lakers.
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I respect the hell out of that.

I still think he gets sent to Boston. Tatum, Brown, #14, #20, #22, and Memphis' 2020 1st. That's a great hall. Brown, Tatum, and Williamson is a great start to that rebuild. If they keep Jrue, then I could see that team making a push for the playoffs. I mean, this lineup isn't bad!

Jrue / Jackson
Brown / Moore
Tatum / ?
Zion / ?
Okafor? / Diallo

I think they'd have a little bit of cap space too.
 
BonesJones said:
I'd assume the worst so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

I would definitely be down for something for Jrue at the draft. But I also want to keep open the possibility of a sign-and-trade for a free agent this summer.

Then again, Jrue's contract barely matches a 30%-MAX contract ($32.7M), and could actually entice teams to sign-and-trade a player to us. Looking specifically as Philadelphia with Butler or Harris.

Hell, that might be the way to go. Try and land Jrue at the draft for something like this:
- Evan Turner
- Moe Harkless or Meyers Leonard
- Gary Trent Jr.
- Two Firsts (#25 and 2021 1st?)
- Two 2nds (2020 and 2022)
- 5M Cash

Then hopefully we could sign-and-trade for Tobias Harris by sending Philadelphia Jrue Holiday. Because they'd be losing Tobias for nothing, we might be able to recoup a pick from Philadelphia if they want Holiday bad enough (he started there). Faced with losing Tobias and the opportunity to get Jrue Holiday for a pick in the 20s, I think they'd jump at it.

PHI Gets: Jrue Holiday
POR Gets: Tobias Harris, 2020 OKC 1st

At that point, we're hard-capped and close to it, so then we go to Atlanta and work out that Taurean Prince trade.
ATL Gets: Moe Harkless or Meyers Leonard (whichever is left)
POR Gets: Taurean Prince.

Portland's payroll would be apx. $119.5M. At that point, resign Hood for $8.5M with the MLE, Layman for $4M (two years, PO for 2nd?), sign Kyle O'Quinn to the minimum. Brings it up to apx. $133.9M with 3 roster spots to fill with the remaining ~$4.4M under the hard cap.
Lillard (36) / Simons (12)
McCollum (36) / Hood (12)
Hood (20) / Prince (28)
Harris (34) / Layman (14) / Labissiere
Collins (27) / O'Quinn (21) / Nurkic*

When Nurkic gets back:
Lillard (36) / Simons (12)
McCollum (36) / Hood (12)
Hood (20) / Prince (28) / Layman
Harris (33) / Collins (15) / Labissiere
Nurkic (26) / O'Quinn (15) / Collins (7)

If we couldn't do that Prince trade, then you try shedding Leonard's or Harkless' contract with that pick so we could make space for Hood. Layman would play SF off the bench and you'd have Labissiere getting minutes at backup PF instead.​
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And if we couldn't do a sign-and-trade than we'd have a huge upgrade off the bench. If we were able to keep Hood too, then we'd have the best 6th/7th man combo in the league outside of Lou Williams and Montrezl Harrell. Thing is, Lou and Harrell are probably the top 2 players on their team, and Holiday and Hood would arguably be the 4th and 5th best.
 
BonesJones said:
My scenario above brings up and interesting question though.

Who would people rather have?

Jrue Holiday playing 30min a game off the bench as a 3rd guard for $26M?
Or Tobias Harris playing 35min a game as the starting PF for $32.7M?

I'd rather have Harris, but it's close.
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If we're talking about keeping CJ I'd rather have Harris because he fills a need. If CJ was gone I'd rather have Jrue.

I don't think Harris is worth the max.
 
BonesJones said:
My scenario above brings up and interesting question though.

Who would people rather have?

Jrue Holiday playing 30min a game off the bench as a 3rd guard for $26M?
Or Tobias Harris playing 35min a game as the starting PF for $32.7M?

I'd rather have Harris, but it's close.
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Gross. Harris is not worth 30+ mil.
 
Just looking throw some combine measurements. Some interesting measurements:
Jarrett Culver - 6'7 w/ 6'10 wingspan. He has the size to play SF.
Brandon Clark - 6'8 w/ 6'8 wingspan. Could that make him fall in the draft?
Talen Horten-Tucker - 6'4 w/ 7'1 wingspan. 8'7 standing reach.
KZ Okpala - 6'10 w/ 7'2 wingspan. Much bigger than I thought. This dude has some serious potential and could be available around our pick.
Admiral Schofield - 6'5 w/ 6'10 wingspan. Would be an undersized SF and doesn't have the skills to play SG. I think he'll fall to the mid-2nd round.
Moses Brown - 7'3 w/ 7'5 wingspan. Must've grown in the past year or two. I don't see him in mock drafts... Is that because people expect him to go back to school? I have to imagine he'd be a borderline 1st round pick.
 
hoopsjock said:
If we're talking about keeping CJ I'd rather have Harris because he fills a need. If CJ was gone I'd rather have Jrue.

I don't think Harris is worth the max.
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I think it's a slight over-pay but worth it because we wouldn't have to give up a ton for him in a trade and he fills a very clear need and would be a huge upgrade over Aminu.
 
H.C. said:
Gross. Harris is not worth 30+ mil.
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What's he worth then? $25M?

That $5M is likely what lands him, and probably not a difference maker long-term, especially for a guy who would make us a legitimate contender.
 
@hoopsjock Fernando measured a 9'2 standing reach so I don't think he's undersized at all actually.
 
BonesJones said:
What's he worth then? $25M?

That $5M is likely what lands him, and probably not a difference maker long-term, especially for a guy who would make us a legitimate contender.
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Harris is a 4/80 guy imho, but will get paid a lot more.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Harris is a 4/80 guy imho, but will get paid a lot more.
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A guy who shoots as efficiently as he does and being a borderline 40% 3pt shooting at PF who also gets 20ppg and plays solid defense... That's worth more than $20M these days. Obviously not worth $32.7M but some team is going to pay him that (Utah...?) and we have as much of a reason as anyone. We have to find a way to contend over the next 4 years, and with Stotts being extended, we have to upgrade our forwards. There's not many paths to that, so it comes down to this:

- Do we settle for mediocrity at those positions again and probably take a step back next year, possibly back into a 1st round exit?
or
- Do we take a risk on a guy like Blake Griffin or giving the max to a guy like Tobias Harris, with the upside being a championship?

I choose #2.
 
I'd rather wait for the next firestorm and hope to capitalize on that during the deadline through trade.

Harris locks us into a roster that isn't anywhere near contending imo.
 
JDC said:
I'd rather wait for the next firestorm and hope to capitalize on that during the deadline through trade.

Harris locks us into a roster that isn't anywhere near contending imo.
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What?

We were in the WCF and up by 17 in three of four games...

And somehow adding a HUGE upgrade over Aminu makes it so that we're worse?

Makes 0 sense.

There's no firestorm coming. There's literally no star players that'll be on the market after Anthony Davis outside of possibly Blake Griffin.
 
BonesJones said:
Just looking throw some combine measurements. Some interesting measurements:
Jarrett Culver - 6'7 w/ 6'10 wingspan. He has the size to play SF.
Brandon Clark - 6'8 w/ 6'8 wingspan. Could that make him fall in the draft?
Talen Horten-Tucker - 6'4 w/ 7'1 wingspan. 8'7 standing reach.
KZ Okpala - 6'10 w/ 7'2 wingspan. Much bigger than I thought. This dude has some serious potential and could be available around our pick.
Admiral Schofield - 6'5 w/ 6'10 wingspan. Would be an undersized SF and doesn't have the skills to play SG. I think he'll fall to the mid-2nd round.
Moses Brown - 7'3 w/ 7'5 wingspan. Must've grown in the past year or two. I don't see him in mock drafts... Is that because people expect him to go back to school? I have to imagine he'd be a borderline 1st round pick.
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Schofield is the same size as Jae Crowder and more skilled than Crowder was coming out of college. He's a fantastic shooter and has the athleticism to be a good defender. I think he'll be an above average 3 and D wing. His height won't be much of a problem.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Schofield is the same size as Jae Crowder and more skilled than Crowder was coming out of college. He's a fantastic shooter and has the athleticism to be a good defender. I think he'll be an above average 3 and D wing. His height won't be much of a problem.
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I wouldnt say he's more skilled. Schofielss NBA range is extremely questionable (he wasnt a great college 3pt shooter and his form is going to have trouble stretching out to NBA 3pt range. And he isnt the defender Crowder is/was. Schofield hrades out as an average defender whos an undersized F with questionable shooting, a love for tough mid-range shots, and an inability to get to the rim.

I liked him at the start of the year, but the more I watched him, the more I soured on him.
 
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BonesJones said:
What's he worth then? $25M?

That $5M is likely what lands him, and probably not a difference maker long-term, especially for a guy who would make us a legitimate contender.
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Does Tobias Harris offer THAT much more than Mirotic would?
Both I believe are out of Portland's price range, but I don't know.

Both are known shooters.(Harris being more consistent)
Harris shot just under 49% on 7.5 of 15 shots per.
Mirotic shot just under 44% on 5.2 of 12 shots per.

Maybe Harris is a better defender than I'm giving him credit for I don't know.
But I'll be honest, I really don't like Harris.

But then again I'd take both of them over Aminu or Harkless.

I'd look elsewhere to become a contender. But I just don't see how Portland makes many moves this off-season outside of trying to retain their current players.
Hope I'm wrong.
 
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I like Brandon Clarke a lot but part of me just thinks he is gonna be the defensive version of Justin Jackson.
 
H.C. said:
Does Tobias Harris offer THAT much more than Mirotic would?
Both I believe are out of Portland's price range, but I don't know.

Both are known shooters.(Harris being more consistent)
Harris shot just under 49% on 7.5 of 15 shots per.
Mirotic shot just under 44% on 5.2 of 12 shots per.

Maybe Harris is a better defender than I'm giving him credit for I don't know.
But I'll be honest, I really don't like Harris.

But then again I'd take both of them over Aminu or Harkless.

I'd look elsewhere to become a contender. But I just don't see how Portland makes many moves this off-season outside of trying to retain their current players.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Yes.

Harris is a much better shooter than Mirotic. The difference between Harris and Mirotic is about twice as big as the difference between Mirotic and Aminu.

Hes also a better defender and better passer.

Hes also much more consistent and reliable.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I like Brandon Clarke a lot but part of me just thinks he is gonna be the defensive version of Justin Jackson.
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I don't know what you mean by this... Justin Jackson is average (at best) offensively. Theres no way Clarke isnt at least an above average defender.
 
Minstrel said:
Agreed. Giving up assets to dump contracts only makes sense if you can get some value from dumping that contract--value that exceeds the asset you gave up. Currently, the only major thing dumping Turner's contract would do is potentially open up using the full MLE. I don't think the extra few million is worth punting on a first round pick.

And regarding the quality of the draft, this is the worst kind of draft to dump a first round pick, IMO. The best draft to do that is one where there are a lot of clearly-defined good players in the top half of the draft, but you're selecting near the bottom of the round. This draft has two or three excellent prospects and then a great deal of uncertainty beyond them. This is the sort of draft where you could get a steal near the bottom of the first round because no one's really sure who the best NBA players in this draft will be outside of Zion, Morant and Barrett.
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I'd go so far as to say you could get a steal or two in the first half of the second. Lot of very interesting players being projected there right now. That's why I think we might be able to have our cake and eat it, too, by trading our first and ET for a pick or two in the upper second.
 
BonesJones said:
I don't know what you mean by this... Justin Jackson is average (at best) offensively. Theres no way Clarke isnt at least an above average defender.
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I think Clarke’s lack of length is gonna hurt him and he will be an average at best swingman. Maybe an Iman Shumpert Type.
 
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