2019 NBA Draft Thread

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  1. dviss1

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    He's done something only Lebron and a few others have done.
     
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    I don't see it
     
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  4. PCmor7

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    Meh.

    He's comparing him to Chuck Hayes. In other words, I don't need to draft this guy. I could sign a Chuck Hayes this year probably for the vet minimum. So, again, why am I drafting a guy who's limited in so many ways when I can take a shot at a guy who can be so much more?
     
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    You could sign THE Chuck Hayes, that's for sure.

    But if all you got out of that article is that "he's comparing him to Chuck Hayes" then I question your reading comprehension.
     
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    Feel free. That was a big part of the article, though, essentially saying he could be another Chuck Hayes.

    He also basically said that he wasn't even Chuck Hayes defensively (which means he's not Draymond defensively) and he's a totally different player than Draymond offensively. And that he could be Jae Crowder, which, again, isn't really doing much for me, since if he's not Chuck Hayes defensively, he's not Jae Crowder defensively.

    So, again, I don't see the need. If you are saying you want Grant Williams because the Blazers need a quick impact player, I still don't see where he makes a quick, positive impact. And if you are saying in a couple of years he'll be a guy that moves the needle on this team, then I don't see where the optimism exists for him to climb that next rung.

    The writer of the article is entitled to his opinion. I guess we'll see who's right eventually.
     
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    Im not sure I understand the, “it” in this sentence. The comparison to Dante Cunningham? Cause I wasnt saying they’re similar.
    My post was just we dont really know what Bazley’s career will be, could it be a similar career to Cunninghams? maybe? who knows.
     
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    I guess, but Cunningham never showed this level of skill, ever.
     
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    My recollection was that Portland was rumored to have interest before the draft last year. I was not surprised we got him.
     
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    You mean, like Nikola Jokic?

    Draymond wasn't Draymond defensively - in college.

    Now, for all we know Williams is a total bust. But you're not rebutting that guy's positive points in the slightest.
     
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    Bazley in one of the mock going 29 so his stock is soaring.
     
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    He's gonna end up in the teens.
     
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    Hmmm, skilled 19-year-old 7-footer (coming into the draft) v skilled 6-foot-6 ... yeah, nothing important different there.

    Draymond was a pretty good defensive player in college. His defensive rating was 88.3. He came out of one of the best defensive programs in the country. And Williams can't compare with Draymond's length.

    Grant Williams' defensive rating is 10 points higher than Draymond's was. This is kind of a silly line for you to take ... you are trying to support Williams being a worthwhile pick as a role player by saying he could be an NBA all-star who has virtually nothing in common with him. In college, Draymond averaged more rebounds in a season three times than Williams averaged in his BEST rebounding season. And Williams is a guy who is supposed to be smart and strong.

    I think you're a victim of your own low bar, Rast. I never said he'd be a bust, but that he lines up as the quintessential journeyman. Absolutely no one seems to be trying to make the argument that Grant Williams is going to be a much above average NBA player. Even the article singing his praises compares him mostly with journeymen, and journeymen with whom he shares very little in common.

    So how many undersized and underathletic power forwards have put together terrific NBA careers? It's a pretty small list. And there's no reason to think Grant Williams is a guy the Blazers must have. He is a guy who probably won't see the floor this year and likely won't ever see it unless the Blazers go into a tailspin. You can sign a vet who will have more impact on this coming year's team who can do the exact same things Grant Williams can do.

    You don't have to rebut Williams' positives when they don't translate to the next level and his negatives are so numerous.

    Meanwhile, you have Bazley who has the potential to be light years better than Williams, and the type of player you typically can't get at this kind of value. But you'd rather take the average guy who you admit also could be a total bust.
     
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    Maybe I guess we will find out in couple weeks. But looks like he must be really helping himself in his workouts.
     
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    I apologize if this was already posted:

     
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    The more I think about it and the more I see him, the more I think Bazley will be the pick if he's still there at 25.

    The Blazers in the last few years have shown they value shooting and athleticism. Biggie was the outlier in recent drafts. And they've gone for guys like Dame and CJ from smaller colleges or Simons who didn't go to college at all.

    Big upside. Plays a position where the Blazers are lacking star potential. Just seems to me he's the best fit, and I like a lot of players in that part of the draft.

    I've thought the last couple of years that Thaddeus Young would be a good fit for the Blazers. I see a lot of the same qualities with Bazley, but I think Bazley has greater potential.
     
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    But, yeah, I wonder if he'll be there at 25. I would pick him higher.
     
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    About Bazley's career:

     
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