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Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by hoopsjock, Jan 16, 2019.

  1. James lamphear

    James lamphear Well-Known Member

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    I not talking about there team I am taking about how they adjust vonleh shot that made him better shooter.
     
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    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, they have a new coaching staff, their best player has been out all year, and they are trying to tank.
     
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    How are you coming about this information? It's just a silly claim. Besides, Noah's FG% during his last season in Portland was .490 and in New York it's .467. That's worse. Sure, his 3pt% has risen from .333 to .407 but he shot 0.2 a game in Portland and now is shooting 2.1 a game.

    I like Noah a lot, but he is the same player. The difference is the lack of depth in New York (allowing him to shoot at will), the philosophy of the team (they aren't making the playoffs), and playing time (up from 14.4 a game in Portland to 26.3 in New York).

    The whole thing is silly. There are PLENTY of reasons to take issue with the Portland coaching staff, but none of them have anything to do with any inability to "unlock" Noah Vonleh.
     
  4. KeepOnRollin

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    How many wins would we have without Dame? More than 10 but not near as many as we have now.
     
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    Holy hypothetical. Without Dame we'd be watching CJ unleashed, which we've already established is a different beast altogether. 10 is too low, I suspect. That being said, I'm missing the point...what's your point?
     
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    You were insinuating that they have a shit coaching staff. It is not the coaches that are a problem it is missing there All Star player and having crappy players otherwise.
     
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    We are talking about two different things. Just forget I said anything.
     
  8. James lamphear

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    I read it some article I forgot where due that read a lot of them. But if feel mad about me talking about the coaches staff for not trying else about his shot so be. Plus he did have better fg percent he should due to almost all his shots were dunks off Nurk assist. So I am saying outside of his dunks he better shooter now then he was in Portland. I believe what the article said one of the assistant coach change his release point on his shot.
     
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    Can’t wait until Olshey misses out on him again.
     
  10. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    I read it in more than one article. I forgot where, too. They said that the Knick coach encourages him to show all facets of his game (e.g. dribbling), while Stotts restricted him.
     
  11. BonesJones

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    This post is a prime example as to why I use TS%.

    Last year, Vonlehs TS% was .509
    This year, Vonlehs TS% is .574

    That's a huge increase.

    His AST% went from 5.7 to 11.2
    STL% went from 1.1 to 1.5
    BLK% went from 1.6 to 2.9
    DBPM went from 0.3 to 2.1

    His BPM as a whole increased by 4.5, from -3.1 to 1.4.

    He is NOT the same player in New York as he was in Portland. That couldn't be further from the truth. Hes improved astronomically this year.
     
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    Minutes and role.

    And his TS% was .543 in his last season in Portland, not .509.

    His AST% went from 3.8 in Portland to 11.2. That's a lot.

    They sure taught him how to pass in NY. Wow. And to steal better and to block better and so on. It's so ridiculous.

    He plays more! A lot more. His role is bigger! And Viola.
     
  13. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Those stats aren't minutes based...
     
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    And yet they are clearly the result of playing more minutes in a defined role. Noah was a lottery pick for a reason.

    Anyway, I don't even know how this is a discussion. I bailed on it twice already.

    Look at it from any angle and Noah is doing well and I'm glad.
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Exactly... the coaching staff didnt utilize him.
     
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    Sure they did. Just in a different role.

    And Vonleh's "impovement" is largely stemming from being allowed to bring the ball up the floor, initiate more hand offs and shooting an unsustainable 41% from 3.
     
  17. BonesJones

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    They didn't utilize him in the best way possible.

    Imagine allowing Dame, CJ, and Nurkic to play off the ball because we had a PF that could dribble, pass, defend, and shoot? That 4th thing is huge, because Turner can't shot so defenses just sag into the paint to clog things up.

    Vonleh's shooting form looks much better this year. Elbow isn't inside of the ball like it was last year and he's minimized the hitch that it produced. This is something the coaching staff should've corrected when they got him, but they didn't. Right after he leaves, it's fixed... So while I don't expect him to be a 41% shooter, I do think he's a better shooter than Aminu.

    The coaching staff didn't know what they had. They didn't give him an opportunity to do anything that he's doing now. He'd have great stretches and would still get benched after 6 minutes and wouldn't see the floor for the rest of the half.
     
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    I think the coaching staff is at fault for this, because he surely doesn't have them this year.
     
  19. JDC

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    His dribbling and passing isn't really opening things up for other players and he's still pretty ignored as a shooter.

    He's definitely improved, but your dismissing context too easily. Every player can't be maximized on the floor and I think it's fair to say that he wouldn't be used the same way on a good team.
     
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    I understand youre position here, his form looks pretty good. The role change definitely helped. Why do you believe the shooting percentage is unsustainable? Im sure teams have scouted him by now and are guarding him.
     

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