Most of those teachers work when school's out for summer.I painted houses, played music and tended bar..and many take work home on holidays and breaks...ever teach? I taught public school on the Big Island of Hawaii and you doubled as a policeman....stressful place to teach..boo hoo? Walk the walk and get back to me. There are people who are dogshit at their craft in any field you can come up with...hopefully it's not your airline pilot...doesn't mean it's not hard work...I know teachers who tutor for free after hours at the local library for gifted kids whose parents are at the bar...y'know...dogshit parents?...walk the walk before you make snap judgements about the profession.
Bottom line is a teacher is going to help your child if you as a parent develop a relationship with the teacher and become involved in their education...not many parents get that memo....lucky to show up at a parent teacher conference once a year in many cases.
I went to one in particular onetime, I think my son was in the seventh grade. I went as requested, me, not his mom. I asked the teach, what was up? What did she need? She said, I just wanted to see what you looked like! I couldn't get anything more out of her. I always sort of wondered about that one. Never did get further with her.
You don't need a master's degree to teach in High school, you need a Bachelors. https://www.teachercertificationdegrees.com/careers/high-school-teacher/ https://www.teacher.org/career/high-school-teacher/ Just like in any other fields though if someone wants to go get a Masters Degree or a Doctorate I have no problems compensating them for it. I'm also not saying that 60k is "well paid" but it is a liveable wage at least in most places (there are a lot of variables to what is live-able).
That’s an interesting anecdote. Doesn’t make a lot of sense, but interesting. Someone who actually thinks change is needed wouldn’t consider it “change for the sake of change”. They might think of it more as change for the sake of healthcare and not being at war all the time and not being robbed by corporations and Wall Street bankers at every turn. Pretty extreme viewpoint, I know.
There you go! Stop right there. A good point for a real discussion Actual numbers. 1. If you check out the average incomes through out Oregon, you probably will find it difficult to find 5 people in any town under 10,000 people across this State that makes more money than this per year. So in comparison it is a good wage. But, when you look at the money spent state wide on schools, nearly $11,000/child/year, with maybe 25 - 30 children per teacher, that is 275K - 333k per year/teacher spent by the schools. What in holy hell are they spending the money on besides the one teacher getting the 60K??? That is a real WTF in my book. Are there hidden costs per teacher we do not hear about? Help please.
Not sure why you keep saying you dont know what I make, why is that relevant? I know of many “educated” people that make less than that, not all degrees are created equal in the job market. That salary isn't criminal, and it is livable. Now a lot of people should make more than what they do, every job has stress, and good / bad parts, but thats kind of my point when it comes to wages, cost of living, standards for the middle and lower class there are issues but they go way beyond just what educators make.
https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Location=Portland-OR/Salary How is everyone else doing it? If teachers cant have a home / family, making above average salary then neither can anyone else around the mean, so apparently all of them need a raise (and I’d agree there) and not just the teachers.
The accountant for the school where I worked thought everyone should get by on less...he seemed to see the present cost of living through the dollar values of the 1950s....problem is new cars don't cost 800 bucks anymore. We would get something like a 35 cent raise after negotiations...shocking considering inflation and the cost of living...the money market has changed things....it's why one US dollar is 35 dollars in other countries...that's a global game that folks don't pay much attention to...corporations who keep several currencies and play the money market affecting the value of the dollar just by buying and selling money to themselves. They can't lose. A dollar doesn't buy much anymore. The inflation of real estate is out of control...my son's house has gained 100k in value in 2 years....next kid that buys it will pay up the nose to own it at this rate...I'm amazed how many new neighbors are here from California after selling some 2 bedroom house for a million bucks then coming up here and paying 300k for a house that was going for 120 not that long ago. Kids born here won't be able to afford it.
There was plenty of discussion about MY children in this vary thread, don't even try to act like I don't value my kids, or their education. I value other kids too, its not that I want any kid to have a poor education, or to have poor educators. Again never said dont pay them, just questioned the “live-able” wage comment, and why teachers get brought up so much more than others who face similar struggles.
I disagree with this across the board...the only recent thing that has highlighted schools has been tragedy...talking about paying teachers more who will carry a gun...etc...school shootings make the news...not school supplies or budgets
Yeah real estate is absolutely nuts, our house has doubled in value and we bought it 6 years ago. Had an appraiser out recently because were remodeling and doing a pretty big expansion (didn't expect so many kids), and I was kind of in shock...
Well maybe our bias’ come into play here, not just yours but mine as well. I feel like I hear much more about teachers wages than I do anyone else’s. edit: With that though, I think you have to admit that you have your own bias’ in this situation as youve been a teacher and probably feel they dont get talked about enough. Maybe the reality is somewhere in between.
I always just build my house. I built the last five I lived in but for a couple I rented for a time. But I hear yah! It is getting more difficult all the time. I was happy with the last one where I was able to get off the treadmill of spending as much on the new one as the prior sold price.
That’s the incentive for doctors with the advantage plan everything is billed through whatever advantage plan you have. It’s not a supplement to the fed A&B taken out of SS. That’s why many docs won’t take Medicare only. If I had Medicare only & didn’t have an advantage plan , The fed would cover maybe 80% of some things and little or zero if others. And limit doctors charges. Which is cool is only the fed would be more efficient with docs .
