Game Thread 2020 Debate Part 3 - Sept 12

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  1. riverman

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    They all generalize.....she is a lot stronger in her convictions than most of them. She called out corporate corruption and pretty much targeted the 1% as the place to pay for her idea.
     
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    Two examples don’t exactly solidify your claim as a given. But you are a hard-lined establishment voter apparently, so change ain’t your thing.
     
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    Biden did well enough that his poll numbers probably won't change.
     
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    Change for the sake of change is like diving off a bridge without checking whether there are any rocks hidden just below the surface of the water.
     
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    Does the 1% have enough money? It sounds great but the 1% as wealthy as they are, Im not sure they can support 300m+ people...
     
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    Given there are ONLY two examples in the past 50 years, even a cursory look at the graph I posted proves my point 100%. So I suppose not even lazy analysis is your thing.
     
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    I just think Klobuchar will appeal to mid westerners and southerners mire than Warren.
    Many dems and moderates there tie her to The Clinton
     
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    There are Supplemental plans to add to your Medicare. Why didn’t you get one of those? And there are $0 premium Medicare Advantage plans that would have increased benefits to regular Medicare. For very little money, once you turn 65, assuming you have Medicare, you are in pretty good shape. It’s the people who aren’t working anymore, and are 60, 62 etc years old that are royally screwed. They have no Medicare and buying a plan on their own is a boatload of money.
     
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    corporations are also going to get taxed under her proposal....who knows...what I do know is most of the ultra wealthy titans are screwing the middle class the way it stands and don't care where they can make a buck...not a nationalist in the lot. Political affiliations aside...it's super wealthy that are scooping up tax shelters and perks...we pay for those now in many ways. She wants school teachers to make a living wage...I like that.
     
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    You really think Walmart, Google, Disney, Lucas Films, McDonald's etc don't have more taxable income? There's a ton of money offshore in tax shelters...sort of what came out of the Mueller report...when someone makes 20 million for making a movie...there's taxable income..Damian Lillard has some taxable income...the entertainment industry is decadent with money and waste.
     
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    Im not sure, its not about if I think they have more taxable income, because I do, but do they have enough to sustain 300m people?
     
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    Im not sure why we act like school teachers dont get paid...

    I googled this but this is what PPS teachers make on average.

    $59,845

    The average Public School Teacher salary in Portland, OR is $59,845 as of August 27, 2019, but the range typically falls between $52,241 and $69,087.

    How much should they get paid?

    Thats basically average salary or greater than everyone else.

    I have no interest in not paying people, but a single adult IMO should be able to live off of that, now you bring in kids and a spouse the dynamic changes and I understand that, but I dont think Teachers are extremely under paid.

    Also with more googling the average salary by education level, makes it look like teachers at least in PPS are about at the average.

    I realize that some places teachers make less, I assume some places teachers make more too.

    If you want to make everyones pay go up ok, but Im not sure why teachers in particular need a raise.
     
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    So talented educators are attracted to the profession and the quality of education goes up....you want your staff at school to be the Golden State Warriors or the Charlotte Hornets? You get talent for money in every profession.....great talent leaves the profession for obvious reasons. I value great teaching. I also realize the cost of living for couples starting out now is not what it was when I was starting out...the numbers don't match the wages in the middle class at all. It was addressed by all 3 women in the debate.
     
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    Well sort of, yeah you want teachers to get paid, but using your example according to hoops hype Miami had the highest salary in 2018/2019 and that did what exactly? Its not just a problem that simply throwing money at will fix. In fact you may end up attracting some of the wrong type of people. I dont want my educators simply in it for the money.

    Sure I want great teachers but it seems like just a political talking point to me, because if you question how much teachers are making or look opposed to that, they can say you don't care about the kids, and their future and all that. I get it Teachers are not making bank, but neither are a lot of professions who probably deserve more than they’re getting.

    Teachers always get brought up because they have strong unions that put political pressure on politicians and that it sounds good to parents that they want a better education system for our kids. Theres nothing wrong with that, and yeah I want a good education system, but I also dont know what we mean when we say teachers should get a liveable wage, because most of them do. Yeah it may mean living a modest life style, but it can be done...
     
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    Three people have more wealth than 150 Million out of the total population of about 300 Million people.
     
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    The others should drop out. They're effectively finished.
     
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    .....and Joe's just Biden his time.
     
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    Good teachers earn that money....nobody throws money at teachers hoping for success....everytime you buy a movie ticket you're paying for some multi millionaire's private jet....what people don't complain about throwing money at is entertainment....sports franchises....movies...while teachers are being told to become armed guards on public school grounds. Priorities....we are falling behind in education. My daughter works in a dental insurance clinic answering phones makes more than I made teaching for a wage. Good teachers figure out they can work there without correcting homework all evening at home and dealing with your kids. Choices. Had I taken on graduate school debt of about 250k....I could have made about 4 dollars an hour more.
     
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    My kids are home schooled, now I realize thats not for everyone. Im not asking teachers to do anything for “my kids”.

    People complain about throwing money at entertainment all the time. The food is too expensive, the tickets too expensive, cable too expensive, etc, etc.

    To me you can make an argument that the average means for the middle class should be elevated, I just don't think teachers have it as bad as its portrayed in the political spectrum. They tend to make about average salaries for the schooling they have. -I googled this for like an hour last night so not the best research but everything I found on government websites tended to point towards this. -

    If they don't want to teach they simply don't have too. There are others who do want too.

    We are falling behind on education but that problem in my opinion isn't solved by just giving teachers unions more money.
     
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    you can google all you like and you'll find someone who supports your narrative about teaching...have you ever taught public school? I'm not a politician but I've been a teacher...In asia teachers are as high up in society as doctors..and the results are demonstrable....here we don't have that value system...you can make more money if you have a 90mph fast ball or sell people shit they don't need..education is what makes a country great....entertainment just makes people compulsive consumers if they have the ways and means
     
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