They are doing this to grandstand. Trump put a line in the sand. You want a fucking impeachment, go ahead and put a vote. The Dems are trying to delay putting a vote on the floor until after the November elections so red state dems don't get voted out of office. yawn.
They don't want an impeachment....they just want to poke him with a stick and let him suck on his own foot going into the election...it's rope a dope....they want him to resign. I do to. I'd vote for George Bush over Trump right now if that were the only choice...since the impeachment issue he's asked China to investigate the leading dem candidate...how fuckn'dumb is that move by him? China then refuses....Australia refuses....he calls his opposition traitors and calls for their impeachment....good grief man.....go shoot some beer cans before they take away your beer!
Having him resign will be so bad for the dems. They have such weak candidates, any stable republican out there would crush them. They are better off leaving things along, don't rile the rightwing base and let things happen naturally. But these are the Democrats. They are losers and do shit the loser ass way.
actually the dems are trying to push this through quickly. It's the trump administration that is stalling, stonewalling and obstructing the investigation. You really do "barely follow what is going on". probably one of the few true things you have posted this morning.
uh, yes they do when they are subpeona'd. What are they afraid of? trump claims he is the most transparent president EVER. He talks the talk but can't walk the walk.
That's the subject of much debate in this current standoff. The House has simply opened an "Impeachment Inquiry", not "Impeachment Proceedings". As I understand it, they've done this with intent because in full Impeachment Proceedings, the Republicans in the House would gain rights that Pelosi & Co. don't want them to have with respect to subpoenaing their own witnesses, etc. The White House is relying on legal arguments that under an inquiry, the House can only issue subpoenas that relate to legislative matters: "The White House’s principal justification for its current stonewalling strategy for ongoing House investigations would not be relevant in the context of impeachment. On April 24, the president told reporters, “We’re fighting all of the subpoenas,” and Cipollone’s May 15 letter supplies various legal arguments in support of this approach. First, the letter relies heavily on the argument that there is no legitimate “legislative purpose” for the request. (Congress’s general investigative powers are derived from its power to legislate.) Whatever the merits of this argument, it would simply not be relevant in the context of impeachment proceedings, because the power to impeach is contained in an entirely separate and discrete section of the U.S. Constitution. Second, the letter argues that even if a legitimate legislative purpose can be articulated, committees have limited authority to explore in detail any particular case of alleged wrongdoing, because Congress does not need such details in order to craft legislative fixes. Again, this would likewise not be relevant in the context of impeachment proceedings. The decision of whether to impeach requires the development of a detailed, backward-looking factual record of specific conduct by the president. While it is of course possible the White House could come up with different theories for stonewalling in the context of impeachment proceedings, these two arguments would fall away, leaving only arguments related to executive privilege to be made before the courts." https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-powers-does-formal-impeachment-inquiry-give-house
I actually think that it might be good to give Trump what he is demanding, let him put up a defense - televised - in the House. It's completely optional, the House voted to do so in past cases but doesn't have to this time, but I think it might be helpful for the public to see how little defense Trump actually has. barfo
If they put it to vote (which they should) dems are concerned about congressional elections in States that Trump won. That's the real reason I think. They really should put it to vote and let the chips fall where they may.
Well, obviously they will have a vote on impeachment itself - you can't impeach w/out a vote. So I'm not sure it matters if there is a vote first to say that they'll have a vote later. barfo
I realize they cant. But why the delay? Whats your take on tat? You don't think there is some strategy for the delay? I do.
It's because it's an inquiry where they gather as much evidence as they can. What you are asking would be similar to picking a jury and then send them directly into deliberations. There are proper steps to follow.
I would think the house wouldn't need anymore evidence, and they been gathering for a while now and really its not about evidence really its about numbers to impeach before it goes to the senate.. They wouldn't even need a jury for the house, just a vote to impeach. Lets get on with it they have the votes!
