New York was rumored to be interested in CJ. I think this trade actually is about right. I tend to think the Knicks would give up Toppin or Quickley and both of their first rounders but I don't know how they value all of those pieces but three out of those four pieces (Toppin, Quickley, the 19th pick and the 21st pick) seems like something they would do. Also we are giving up a future first in this deal to Toronto, not just CJ. That first would need to be from 2023 because we aren't using our first in this years draft so we can't trade our 2022 pick unless we trade it after it's made.
I tend to agree with you.. CJ and DJJ aren't that good... kind of what I've been saying for a while when making the case this roster wasn't as talented as others were making it out to be.
We can trade our 2022 pick after the draft is over. I’d imagine that is someone everyone is aware of and easily negotiated into a deal.
It's not that they aren't that good, it's that Jaylen Brown is extremely good and young. There's different degrees of good.
We cannot trade that pick because we have to use it. We can trade the rights to it after we use it but you are not allowed to trade away a first rounder if you haven't used one the season before. That's why until we knew that our pick was going to the Rockets we couldn't trade any of our picks because we didn't know which pick it would be mandatory for us to use. There are ways to circumvent this but that would mean acquiring another 2022 first rounder.
I'd say yes, Harris has more value. Especially after the 6 games CJ played in the Denver series. A player's value will tank quite a bit when he's outplayed by Monte Morris and Austin Rivers on the other hand, Harris will be making 5M more a year than CJ. Neither player is really worth what they are paid a bit of trivia: Harris was selected with the 19th pick in the 2011 draft. That was the Blazer pick they sent to the Bobcats for Gerald Wallace....who was traded for Lillard, essentially
Now let’s look at their most recent seasons, since that’s most relevant. https://stathead.com/tiny/Kd8nX PER: +2.9 (CJ) Better shooter: CJ Less turnovers (on higher usage): CJ Assists: Brogdon Rebounds: Brogdon Steals: McCollum Blocks: McCollum Win Shares: McCollum OBPM: McCollum DBPM: Brogdon, literally by .1 percentage point. One is a -1.4 and the other is -1.5. So that “distinct” defensive edge doesn’t equate statistically. LaVert for good measure: https://stathead.com/tiny/et34Q and I’d expect Malcolm Brogdon, point guard, to be a better passer than McCollum, although apparently that comes with more turnovers (bad passes?) so not sure what to do about that. So, I mean, yeah CJ is a better player. And it’s reflected in the stats. And that was my original hypothesis. Not that he is a superstar; that he is just better than those other two. Which he is.
They’re good. But CJ is significantly older. And DJJ is a possible rotation piece; not a piece that makes up for a massive age gap.
The phrase "that good" was probably poor and too subjective on my part. As I keep pointing out, we've had multiple posters on here make a case that CJ is an all-star talent, something I've objected to. Brown, made his first all-star team last year and was the last eastern backcourt selected. The thought that we would need to add DJJ, Roco (who we traded 2 first round picks for) and ANOTHER 1st round pick would suggest that the different between CJ and guy who barely made the all-star team is somewhat significant; which was my point all along... we haven't had a real all-star talent next to Dame.
I really like the idea of Sabonis but my top realistic choice would be Siakam, I feel like he and Dame would be very good together. So yes that’s my fantasy trade and picks would have to be involved. We better acquire some 2nd rounders to use for depth though. Dame Powell Warren Siakam Sabonis I think that’s a top 3 starting unit.
This is actually a common misconception. The Stepien rule is only forward looking. Right now we can't trade the 2022 pick, but after the draft, perhaps once the new league year begins, we will again be eligible to trade the 2022 pick (because we have our 2023 pick). These rules are essentially how we got roco for two consecutive first round picks. So any trade of the 2022 pick during the draft could not become official until the new league year begins.
