Game Thread 2022-23 Game #20 BLAZERS @ NETS - NOVEMBER 27, 2002 - SUNDAY - 12:00 PM (PDT) BENCH

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  1. RR7

    RR7 Well-Known Member

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    My teams is losing without their best player, so I don't like them anymore.
    See ya! You won't be missed
     
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    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    I think the second part of your post directly affects the first part of your post.
    Not sure Sharp has ever in his wildest dreams understood exactly the kind of grueling schedule NBA players/coaches and all personnel that support the team have to deal with night in and night out.
     
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    Wade Garrett Exactly right.

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    From a person who has the slogan " Being hated by fools is nothing to be ashamed of.", on his banner.
    I am sure the Blazers are relieved to know this.
    LOL.
     
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    AldoTrapani Well-Known Member

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    Reality hit us hard and I bet Olshey is somewhere laughing
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Ant and Dame are 2nd and 3rd in 3PA, just behind Steph. I had no idea. Neither can shoot them all that well so this fucking hero ball is doomed to fail. They ain't Steph and never will be. They take like 20 3s a game. Is this Chauncey ball? He has to do something with those two. I get you have to shoot your way out of a slump but there has to be a limit. They can't have the perpetual green light.
     
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    AldoTrapani Well-Known Member

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    Tell me about it. Especially Dame man that dude sucks at 3PT shooting this year he might even be below 35%
     
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    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    If "reality hitting us hard" is being above .500 after one of if not the most brutal schedule in the NBA, then life really isn't all that hard
     
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    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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  9. Fairly-Hard

    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    That was game 20.
    11-9 after 20 games and I'm very happy! 12 of the next 20 are on the road. They have three B2B's. One of them is coming up Tuesday and Wednesday in a crazy one game home and back on the road to LA. So that home game is another road game. We can essentially call that the 13th road game. Then another bad schedule game B2B with road vs the Jazz and home vs the Pacers. So in the next 20 games they are playing some brutal stretches again. they have the 6 game Texas swing that seems to happen most every year. Spurs, Dallas, Houston and throw in two in a row in OKC with Denver as the last of that trip whith the Nuggets having 2 days rest.

    If they are 18-22 at the end of 40 games I'll be okay with that. 20-20 and I'm real happy again.

    This dude? Doubles down on the stupidity?
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Three point attempts. not percentage. They are not even close to the leagues top 3pt shooters to warrant 20 a game between them. It's hero ball and it doesn't work. Taking 20 low percentage shots is hurting the team and they should be passing to get quality looks.
     
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    Maybe get back to us at the end of the year when the schedule isn't pounding them into submission. After a couple long home stands against teams that can't guard the 3 ball. Lillard shoots about 40% from three. I presume you will not include last year right? Career 37% though it would be higher had he been healthy last year.
    Simons percentage is every bit as good as Lillard if not better? Career almost 39%

    Dumping on them at this point of the season doesn't seem smart at all? Those guys can shoot three's all they want if I'm coaching this team. Guessing Billups thinks the same?
     
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    Dame was shooting 38% on three's before those last 2 games when he went 3-24; sure looked to me like he was favoring his hammy in those games too. Keep that in mind when Aldo trolls the forum incessantly by trashing Dame, over and over and over and over and over

    Ant is shooting 37% which is OK. Problem is he's been incredibly streaky and way too often he's been laying bricks in first halves when he's leading the Blazers into holes they can't climb out of. It would be helpful if he made a few more early in games instead of waiting till the Blazers were down double digits. I am encouraged by his FT rate though. He's learning how to draw fouls and get to the line
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Who said anything about dumping on them? It's about winning games. I only care about how Dame is shooting now given age/injuries. Why should Ant and Dame shoot as many 3s as Curry? It makes sense for Steph, not for those two. I will stand by those comments. They will never be even close to as good a shooter as Curry.
     
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    Go figure out the scoring metrics on the 3 ball and get back to us. 38-40% on 3’s vs 50-55% on 2’s.
    I’ll wait. (Hint- they rarely shoot better than 50% on 2’s)
     
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    Because that's how the game is played now ... by everyone ... and none of them are as good at is Curry.
     
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    I think it's legitimate to question shot selection. Sometimes Dame's shot selection is pretty questionable, and that goes double for Ant. I also think it's legitimate to wonder how many of those three's are bail-out three's because the offense has broke down and the shot clock is running out

    but Dame and Ant aren't at the same level any more than Dame and CJ weren't...

    this season, points/shot:

    Dame 1.45
    Blazers 1.32
    Simons 1.24

    Criticizing Dame for shot selection is a quibble. Simons not so much. CJ was always less efficient than the team as a whole. I'm hoping Ant will elevate his efficiency because he seems to be learning how to get to the line. Don't need to look further than the last game. Royce O'Neale harassed Ant into a crappy game, and O'Neale had team help. If Dame was healthy, O'Neale would have been guarding him, the Nets defense would have twisted toward Dame, and Ant would have had single coverage. A healthy Dame dramatically changes the equations for Portland, and the defensive attention he gets opens opportunities for other players
     
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    Watch out now. I been saying this for years about Dame
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Ok you win, Dame and Ant should shoot a total of 20 3s a game. No matter what. I stand corrected. Excellent shot selection and getting your teammates involved. And it's leading to wins over good teams.
     
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    I don't think it's that simple. Mathematically it is, I guess, but it's not so simple schematically.

    Portland, as a team, is averaging 1.32 points/FGA. In order for a Blazer three point shooter to match that, he'd have to average 44% on three's. Very few players average that. But the three-point 'threat' spreads a floor and allows more room for an offense to operate. The impact of a three is greater than it's mathematical average. Teams have to rotate toward open three point shooter and that scramble opens up other opportunities. Seems like the NBA has evolved to the point that a made open-three is more demoralizing for a defense than giving up a slam-dunk. Didn't used to be that way
     
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    If they are bail out three’s because the offense has broke down I want Dame shooting it. Not Winslow or Hart.
    Those things happen. You don’t get perfect offensive execution all the time. You don’t get it even half the time. Bail out shots happen to every team every game.
     
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