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They can also send a 1st to send Fournier into Boston's TPE that was made from trading Fournier.

Lol.

 

I think Nas, Hart or even Ant would have to be a part of any package, depending on the quality you get in return. The Bledsoe chip is a good one as that's immediate cap savings to go along with youth.

 

1) Ingles was not a throw in. Portland went out of the way to include Utah into the trade to swap Alexander-Walker for Ingles. Portland took back an extra $10M last year to get his contract.

2) Having his bird rights is relevant. Once the MLE is used, Portland could only spend ~$4M as a contract on him (I think he'll resign for ~$8M). This would not be possible without the bird rights. Also, I believe most players would re-sign with the incumbent team as long as they are happy there (and the money is close). This gives Portland a small leg-up on the competition.

3) I don't think he was ever a + defender... But Ingles does do a lot of little things that helps a team win. I think more than anything, we need his savvy vet experience.

4) I certainly HOPE we can do better on the FA market. The point is that we have more than 1 spot to fill. A good MLE FA + Ingles would be ideal.

 

Its very common for draft day deals to be pushed officially into July, allows the team more flexibility with other transactions. If there is no possible advantage to that teams complete and make it official in June.

 

Many years your complaints of this type have validity.

But when Cronin drafts one of the highest upside players who is a month older than 18 and likely to contribute nothing next season.... no I don't agree with your sentiment at all.

Lets see what final roster the Blazers have and give them until the trade deadline to pick a firm direction. They actually have some young assets to do a quality rebuild if we move on from the Dame trying to win era, or cash in more of those young assets if our vets overperform and we go full out trying to win now.

It makes a lot of sense to not fully commit one direction or the other now, while we don't really know how our vets or youth will perform.

 

Yes we can if the trade is combined.
Grant goes into the TPE.
Noel goes into the value sent out by Bledsoe.

The rule is you can't 'aggregate' a TPE with a player (ie - combine our $20M TPE + Bledsoe's $20M contract to take back a $40M player).
You CAN use both the TPE and outgoing salary to get multiple players in return as I described above (as long as they are 'slotted' into the appropriate exception).

Fanspo is not broken. In the link above they show that Grant salary <-> Bledsoe. Then they have Noel being received using the $20M TPE. It's a legal trade.

 

That's correct, but in the example given, they suggested we would retain our TPE.

 

Not possible to retain the $20M TPE in full.
After the Fanspo trade - Portland would still have ~$10M left after taking Noels contract. So they would retain a PART of the TPE.

 

Bledsoe doesn't provide any immediate cap savings. His contract has to be guaranteed to match in a trade.

It's amazing how often posters cite these old strategies from the 2011 CBA.

 

Do trades happen after the draft and before FA? Hoping to see some movement within the next week.

 

I actually think we'll be better than we look on paper. Every single trade we made was a clear talent downgrade, yet after the trades we were more competitive. In fact, I can remember we would trot out our "tanking" lineup and we would compete. Suddenly, we had to invent another injury to make ourselves worse. Then the next guy would step up and we would compete again. It took sitting Nurk, Ant, Winslow and even limiting Hart and McLemore to finally get a team that would reliably suck every night. That gives me hope.

I think Stotts relied on superior talent for his scheme. Billups' scheme seems to rely much more on grit. Just my $0.02. I could be wrong.

 

Good to know. Thanks. I thought we could trade it and they could buy him out before the 10th at the $3.9MM.

 

They can, but then it only counts as $3.9 million going out in the trade.

If we want to use it to match more dollars in salary for the trade it has to be guaranteed at a higher amount between 3.9-19 million.

 

I mean, it was like a 5 game sample size. Even bad teams have stretches in an 82 game season where they look good.

 

One thing I'm not sure about, can we guarantee Bledsoe for 10M, trade him for a 10M player and then the receiving team has to waive him? Or does it have to be either 3.9M or the full 19M?

 

We can guarantee him at a higher amount to use as salary.

 

The difference is chemistry/playing together and better defense.

 

But he must be waived afterwards correct?

 

His contract only has to be guaranteed enough to make a legal trade... so the only flexibility it provides is that you can adjust the guaranteed amount to maximize the salary matching envelope requirements.

The other team has to be able to take in all $19M of his contract (regardless of how much is guaranteed).

One additional possibility with Bledsoe's contract - is he MIGHT be willing to negotiate a buy-out. For instance, he is guaranteed $4M regardless. If Portland comes to him and says, we have a trade but it is contingent upon you agreeing to a buy-out at $5M - then in theory Portland could guarantee the contract up to $19M - make the trade - then the other team officially negotiates a buy-out at $5M. The other team dumps $15M+/- in salary. Bledsoe gets an extra $1M in salary.