2023-24 All Rookie Teams

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Will Scoot make an All Rookie team?

  1. Yes, 1st

    3 vote(s)
    10.3%
  2. Yes, 2nd

    16 vote(s)
    55.2%
  3. No

    10 vote(s)
    34.5%
  1. Whyachi

    Whyachi Well-Known Member

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    how did Ausur Thompson get 1 more vote then Scoot Henderson? Did Monty Williams pay someone off ??

    Ausur 18% 3pt, 59% FT

    and he basically tied Scoot for rookie voting... get outta here wit dat
     
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    Whyachi Well-Known Member

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    these dummies thought Grady Dick had a better season then Toumani Camara. This rookie voting is a sham. BOOOooo
     
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  4. wizenheimer

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    bullshit....you quoted my response to a post about Cason Wallace, not one about Camara

    you then had to go back and find an earlier post, made 7 weeks ago, to justify your fuck up

    as for who had a better season:

    PER: Camara 10.6....Scoot 9.5
    TS%: Camara .547....Scoot .489
    FG%: Camara .450....Scoot .385
    3ptFG%: Camara .337....Scoot .325
    2ptFG%: Camara .523....Scoot .416
    winshares: Camara +2.0....Scoot -1.7
    winshares/48: Camara +.055....Scoot -.045
    BPM: Camara -3.1....Scoot -5.8
    offensive rating: Camara 110...Scoot 97
    defensive rating: Camara 117....Scoot 120

    draft position: Camara #52....Scoot #3

    obviously, Camara is a better at rebounding (and defense) while Scoot is better at assists (when he wasn't passing the ball to opponents or the audience)

    something else: When Camara was on the floor, the aggregate offensive rating of Blazers/Opponents was a +9.2 points. When Scoot was on the floor his team net was -8.2 points.

    so yeah, I can argue that Camara had a better season. Obviously, if all you care about is raw production without the context of efficiency and impact on the team, you'd point at Scoot's PPG and APG. But he was a terrible shooter last season and he averaged 3.4 turnovers (4.3 per 36). And of course his raw numbers were higher, he had a usage rate of 26.5% vs Camara at 13.8%; and he averaged 6.6 more FG's to score 6.5 more points

    who will be better in the future is the more pertinent question since these all-rookie teams are just another NBA sideshow. Scoot definitely has the higher ceiling and upside. I'd say it's pretty likely he'll end up much better....assuming in dramatically improves his shooting and assist/turnover rate. I'd say that's probable but nor certain

    I know this is where you'll get all dismissive about stats and too long a post. Tough shit....I don't care
     
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  5. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    You said Camara had a better season than Scoot. No he didn’t. There isn’t a GM that would take Camara over Scoot, not 1. But all those number things you googled definitely look cool.
     
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    wtf is with you?

    I never once said any GM would take Camara over Scoot. Never said it. You're arguing that with a straw man you created

    I did say Camara had a better season but at least I supported my opinion with some numbers.
     
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    Thats because Camara is 24 and Scoot is 20 - not how they performed last season.
     
  8. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Interesting though exercise. If Camara were 20 and in the 2024 draft, where do you think he would go?
     
  9. wizenheimer

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    he was 20 his sophomore season at Georgia. Averaged 13 points and 8 rebounds. Decent number that may have elevated him to late 1st round. On the other hand, he was a fairly obvious role player and SF who only shot 26% on three's....oops!
     

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