Game Thread 2024-25 GAME #16 - NBA CUP - BLAZERS @ ROCKETS - NOV 22, 2024 - FRI - 5:00 PM - KATU, CHARGE, BV

Ugly ass game. Hopefully we play better tonight.

 

how many has Gobert shot? (17 attempts in 12 seasons) Drummond? In the last 3 seasons, Sabonis has averaged 1.17 attempts a game. Zubac has shot 12 three's in 9 seasons; Steven Adams has shot 15 attempts in 11 seasons. The two Dallas C's, Lively & Stafford have combined for 8 seasons and exactly ZERO attempts. Hartenstein has 87 attempts in 327 games. Dwight Howard had 120 attempts in 1367 games and he was an 8 time all-NBA selection; a 5 time all-NBA-Defender; and an 8 time all-star. Nic Claxton has attempted 19 in 6 seasons; Nick Richards has shot 4 in 5 seasons. Bam Adebayo has attempted 152 in 576 games

I'm not "pretending" anything. Clingan is not an Embiid or a Wemby or a Holmgren. He's limited on offense and he doesn't have good handles. He needs to work on ball security in traffic before he chucks up a bunch of three's in practice. And his best offensive skill is offensive rebounding which happens to be one of the most valuable skills for a big man; and also about the highest value offensive possession in the NBA. He can't grab offensive rebounds when he's 23 feet from the rim

so far, 13% of Clingan's shots have been three's. 0.3% of Gobert's shots have been three's; 0.4% of Zubac's shots have been three's; 2.5% of Adebayo's attempts have been three's. I don't want Clingan's rate to go higher

 

Ohhhhhh…. I can understand why you hate it now FAMS!

 

That’s a word that hits home with A LOT of people. Not sure it works here.

 

So far this season 17.5% of Bam’s attempts have been 3 pointers

 

Also, Ant isn’t tearing this team apart or in anyway is a negative influence towards other players or in the locker room. His teammates love that dude. People may hate how he plays, but that’s a whole other story.

 

But do they really know better?

 

AND...his TS% this season is the lowest of his career at .501 when his career average TS% is .595. He also has the lowest FT rate of his career right now. He probably needs to stop chucking three's and get back to his strengths

 

His 2 point percentage is also at a career low of 45%. Last five games he is at 50% on threes at over 2 attempts per game.

 

No. That's the whole story. Nobody is hanging with the players and judging them off personality. We're watching the games. We're basing our opinions off that.

What you're talking about is a "whole other story."

 

which still means he's shooting more three's and having his worst shooting season. This may be correlation without causation, but it sure doesn't mean that Clingan should shoot more three's

 

The threes have no impact on his 2 point percentage sir

 

how do you know this is true?

his career 3PAr is 2.5% but his rate this season is 17.5%. It could easily be his significantly different shot selection this season is affecting his 2 point conversion rate. For his career, 38% of his shots were at the rim; this season, only 21% of his shots were at the rim. His average shot distance for his career has been 7 feet; this season it's 10.5 feet. He's obviously changed what has worked very well for him over his first 8 seasons and the results have been the worst overall shooting efficiency of his career, by far

besides all that, I listed about a dozen examples of C's who have never taken many three's, and the one you're focusing on is the one who has taken dramatically more three's in 13 games this season and is having the worst season of his career. I'm not sure what you think this shows?

 

It feels like you're trying to pidgeonhole a player who's NBA career has just started.

Clingan's role like any player on the team should be to help the team win.

If Clingan has 3-point shooting skills that can help the team win, he should use those skills.

You don't mention how a 3-point shooting Big can help open up the floor for someone like Shaedon Sharpe to drive the lane.

Wide-open 3-point shots do not require a high degree of basketball skills other than hitting the shot.

 

it's simple. I don't want to see a 7'2 Blazer 20 year old rookie big man who is excellent at offensive rebounding, shooting many three's early in his career. He doesn't have good ball-handling and he doesn't pass well, so his high post game is pretty much non-existent at this point in time. The only purpose to park him behind the arc is as an outlet option. That, to me, is playing to his weaknesses and playing away from his strengths

I think in his priority list of 'things-to-work-on', shooting 23-25 foot shots is way down the list

 

Scoot sucks my friend. A lot of ppl can tell you that. Don’t hitch your wagon to Mr Turnover

 

Great response. Big bro is pretty much saying “…who cares how’s he’s playing but but but he’s a nice guy “

 

I don't see any downside to Clingan shooting 3s in practice and a few in a game right now. Eventually it could become a real weapon for him. If it was a ton of attempts he was jacking up right now and he was out of rebounding position yes that could be a concern, but I've seen zero evidence of that. Clingan is a super hard worker and team first guy, he isn't putting his shots above any team responsibilities. The comparisons you list are silly as Clingan has shown his shot is better than all of them.

 

Your analysing players as if they are playing 1 on 1. There may be a team reason that Bam's role is being changed. I trust Spo to figure that out.

 

If he starts playing like Meyers then fine. I don't see any issue with his 3s now as I've seen zero negatives from it. If he can develop an effective 3pt shot it has big advantages. These are the type of skills young players can experiment with on a rebuilding squad like ours.

He shot zero threes for years at UCONN with a much shorter line on a dominant team so we have evidence he will not be shooting them if the team is ever better served by that.