#24 Anfernee Simons

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  1. BLAZINGGIANTS

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    So you don't think he's had a pretty clear plan this summer? It's obvious they wanted to add shooting and they may have added too much at the expense of other things but that is definitely a plan they had. The other part of the plan (according to Olshey) was to add a vet with playoff experience. There is still time to do so.

    Just because Olshey still believes in the Dame/CJ combo doesn't mean his plan is bad or that he has no plan. It's certainly your right to disagree with that plan but you could be just as wrong with that opinion as Olshey is with his.
     
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    His plan as he explicitly said was to add vets and wings.

    He added two 19 yr old guards, and we got younger in the process. And the one tool he said was gonna be super valuable he will let expire.
     
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    Really? Your example is Denver? The GM that traded Donovan Mitchell for Tyler Lydon and Trey Lyles? The GM that traded Jusuf Nurkic and a 1st round pick for Mason Plumlee and then signed Plumlee to an expensive deal? The GM who just gave up a 1st round pick next year and mutliple 2nd round picks just to dump a bunch of expiring contracts? How does that help their future? So because Olshey isn't making stupid trades right now like Denver is he is asleep?

    BTW, the Hawks GM was on during the game for the same amount of time and he completed a trade yesterday for Lin. I fail to see how spending 10 minutes a day in an interview means he is sleeping.
     
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    Shooting guard is considered a wing, and he added 4 of those (2 of which can play some SF).

    As for the vets, there is still time to make trades. Just like there is still 12 days to get something done with the TPE.
     
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    More hyperbole. He traded our starting center. A starting center is not a major pc? A trade that transformed our defense from bottom third to top third? You failed. Try again sir.

    I hate no one. I just play like I do man.
     
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    Do you realize that was more than 6 years ago?
     
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    Um, everyone I listed on his 1st round draft picks except for JR Giddens is from the same 6 year period Olshey has been here in Portland.
     
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    What are you going to say after he lets them expire?

    I could totally see the plan unfolding in front of my eyes and I hate it.

    They’re going to get Biggie in the rotation because first round pick.

    Then they’re also going to put Layman in the rotation because third year “jump.”

    Neil will start hyping up the trade deadline, and then when that inevitably passes without a move, he’ll talk about how much more activity there is in the summer.

    And round and round we go!

    I’m not falling for it anymore.

    And for the record it’s not all on Olshey. Paul should’ve fired him a long time ago. We’re still paying for 2016, yet Olshey is somehow still here.
     
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    “We need playoff tested players”

    Adds two guys that have never been in the playoffs.

    Genius.
     
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    Simons advanced stats for SL

    https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Anfernee-Simons/Summary/106511

    21 PER

    60 TS%

    55.3 eFG%

    2.22 STL%

    118.6 ORtg

    90.7 DRtg

    Compare that to someone like Crabbe who was in his third SL
    https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Allen-Crabbe/Summary/9300

    21.75 PER

    61.9 TS%

    60.6 eFG%

    102.7 ORtg

    100.8 DRtg

    That was by far Crabbe's best SL. His first two were terribad. In his first SL he averaged 25.9 minutes per game, 6 games and 3 starts and only averaged 5 ppg, shot 30% from the field, and 23.5% from three. Of course, he only averaged 7 FGA during that summer league. I think that was a CJ summer league. Bad point guard play. I want to really highlight how much of a difference Baldwin is having on our team.

    Actually, let's look at CJ

    https://basketball.realgm.com/player/CJ-McCollum/Summary/17251

    CJ also played in 2013-2014 Summer league, as well as the 2014-2015 SL.

    He averaged 20.6 ppg between those two tournaments. He played 34 minutes per game, and shot 41% from the field. He shot 32.8% from three.

    In his first SL he had:

    17.87 PER

    46.5 TS%

    411 eFG%

    98.4 ORtg

    102.4 DRtg

    In his second SL he had:

    24.59 PER

    58.6 TS%

    54.8 eFG%

    110.6 ORtg

    97.4 DRtg

    I think it's extremely impressive what Lil Penny is doing. I think he's benefiting from having Baldwin though.
     
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    I've already told you I'm going to be pissed if they waste such a valuable asset.

    I truly believe this year is different. It was reported that Allen told Olshey he had one job this summer and that was to make the team better. He can't spin his way out of this one if the team doesn't improve and he'll be gone.

    Even though his moves don't make sense given his statements from the exit interview, I do like GM's who never forget to keep trying to develop young players. I wouldn't have made the trade for Trent because it seemed costly at the time giving up two 2nd rounders (including Miami's 2021) but he definitely has a skill set to be an NBA rotation player someday. Simons has all the tools to be a star, it will be up to him if he realizes that potential. Picking up Baldwin last year and even PapaG though he didn't work out were smart moves in my opinion. The roster still needs balance and that is why I think other moves are still to come.
     
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    Remember: it's Summer League, folks. I like what I see from Simons, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

    I'm eager to see how he does in preseason, if he plays at all (he should).

    Personally, I'm more excited about Trent. That dude's got a good shot. I hope he develops some good Defense to go with it.
     
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    2 bad contracts that's it.

    And honestly, afraid to make a deal?

    How can someone say this and definitively know what they're talking about?
     
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    Certainly ORtg and DRtg, and a few other stats, benefit from playing good team offense and defense, which Baldwin and Moran have both made happen. I don't remember seeing any of CJ's teams play that well together on either end of the court. Heck, I don't ever recall any SL team playing together like that. BUT, certainly Simons did his job in the flow of both the offense and defense and deserves some of the credit. If he continues like this I would expect some action at the trade deadline to move some of our wing shooters.
     
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    Most likely, because they would’ve been developed in the NBA for 4 years against better competition, stronger and faster. It’s not like they got more natural talent in college and it’s hard to assume if they skipped college they would have no work ethic. As a matter of fact, it seems CJs college experience didn’t help him too much, since he had to sit out essentially and get used to the NBA.

    In fact, you make a good point, they would’ve been better, sooner; most likely.
     
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    You can’t fault a GM for being bad in free agency given even if they make a better offer, they can’t force players to sign here - especially when you factor in state taxes. Also, you must understand this is Portland, OR. Not Los Angeles. Now you can fault him for 2 poor contracts, of which there is Meyers and Turner. You can also fault him for Nurk, Aminu, Harkless, and many other bargain contracts he has signed. He has, with others help, also maneuvered the cap pretty well. You know who hasn’t? OKC.

    Drafting is the only thing 100% under control. Neil, for the most part, has nailed that.

    You also have no clue if he is afraid to make a deal, unless you’re part of the Blazers executive team.
     

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