#24 Anfernee Simons

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  1. Labinot41

    Labinot41 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that's True. Okc is in Cap hell for the Next 4 years or so. Olshey was able to trade Crabbe without a 1st rounder pick. Even after 2 years we still have all our 1st and 2nd round Picks
     
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  2. Orion Bailey

    Orion Bailey Forum Troll

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    You forgot one important thing.

    You didn’t drop the mic.
     
  3. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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  4. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yep, Olshey is still trying to dig out of the mess he created two summer ago, but Presti has dug and even deeper hole and that franchise will be hemorrhaging money for several years with very few options for improving the roster due to repeat offender penalties.

    Two years from now, they will have $104 million tied up in just three players (Westbrook = $41 million, PG13 = $35.5 million and Adams = $27.5 million), plus $9.3 million in dead cap space to Carmelo AND be saddled with repeat offender penalties. Even if OKC fills out their last 11 roster spots exclusively with min salary players, they will be looking at paying the luxury tax fro the 4th straight year. Plus they owe their 2020 first round pick to ORL.

    By comparison, two years from now, POR will have $72 million tied up in their three highest paid players and have cheap team options for Zach Collins and Anfernee Simons, Gary Trent Jr. locked up at $1.6 million, between $30 and $40 million in cap space to work with and no repeat offender penalties to limit their roster moves.

    BNM
     
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  5. Labinot41

    Labinot41 Well-Known Member

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    What is the repeat offender penalty?
     
  6. SIeepwalker

    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    Being in luxury tax territory multiple years in a row, which cost more money the longer you are in it I think
     
  7. Propagandist

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    All that stuff is neat. But you proved what? That you have to give up assets to get assets? This is something people in here, and Olshey seemingly, are incredibly adverse to doing. Would you not trade CJ and Collins for Paul George? And Baldwin and whoever else? Of course you would. Indiana did well to get as much as they could, but what you're illustrating is exactly why Portland has been locked in mediocrity. Paralysis through analysis.

    "Didn't get the better player in trade"? Time will tell, but I think that's crazy talk, actual crazy talk.

    Thing is I don't even like OKC or Presti or whatever, and all these assumptions about how angry people would be about this and that are silly. For one, there will always be people for and against everything; it isn't about that. And two, Olshey does not function in the same manner as Presti. He is scared af; white-knuckling and finger-crossing.

    And so what Melo failed? You know who people would blame, I'd guess? Fucking Melo. You say EVERYONE penciled them in...meaning EVERYONE assumed they'd be badass, meaning something went wrong. That's not on Presti. 3 stars, a solid center, some young talent, blah blah blah. They should have been better. And they will. "Surround him with shooters." That says it all. Presti didn't try to make it work, he just cut ties and moved on. (And dude, the guys we stretched didn't even see the court. Melo was evaluated and discarded. It's different.)

    Dude, I'm not singing Presti's praises for his management of the salary cap. I'm singing his praises for swinging for the fucking fences, and what does swinging for the fences result in? It's not always a home run. But he took a chance, a chance that even you've said resulted in a team EVERYONE thought would win this and that and it simply didn't happen. And he has struck out.

    Why you bringing up past shit? OKC has also been to the FINALS under Presti. Olshey once traded Baron Davis for what turned into Kyrie Irving. So what? We're talking about now. I think Presti made a mistake, personally, hitching his horse to Westbrook, or this or that, but again, so what? The point is he made big time moves. (The funny side note is that we couldn't have even made either of those moves with the "assets" Olshey has acquired.)

    So, you're down for the friendly wager? I will wait to shake until I'm positive Olshey doesn't swing for the fences himself. The prize? Ownership of what the "Custom Title" says (yours at the moment says,"Why you no hire big man coach?").

    And this argument can die here in agree to disagree land. You're being super pragmatic and I appreciate it, but I actually am not a fan of OKC, or Presti. I'm just tired of what's happening here. I don't think we're trending upwards. I don't think we're improved or even will improve under Olshey because he doesn't take (the necessary) chances, and thus began the argument in the first place.
     
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    So, what you are saying is you would rather soar up to a team in repeated tax hell, forcing you to come crashing back down with a quickness, rather than stay the course on the long and steady road?

    You would rather have the roller coaster than the steadfast longevity?

    Sounds about right for EmoPortland.
     
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  9. theprunetang

    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    So you want our GM to make shitty rash decisions, strike out, make terrible mistakes, and put his team in salary tax hell?

    Cool story bro.
     
  10. Wizard Mentor

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    For the umpteenth year in a row, Presti should have traded Westbrick....

    Instead of "disingenuous" I think you really mean "naive", and I'd agree.

     
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  11. Propagandist

    Propagandist Well-Known Member

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    Exactly what I'm saying...
     
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    Propagandist Well-Known Member

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    Uh...aren't you describing our current GM? bro?
     
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    Propagandist Well-Known Member

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    I think he mean disingenuous, but thanks.

    And I agree. That was the move: trade Westbrook and work from there.
     
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  14. theprunetang

    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    No. I was describing your man crush on OKC's shitty GM.
     
  15. Propagandist

    Propagandist Well-Known Member

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    Stop cherry picking! I know you know that that's not what I'm saying!
     
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    Puts 7 paragraphs down.
    Only to say. This argument can die.
    When if he actually wanted it to die.
    He could've just not wrote 7 paragraphs.

    Hilarious.
     
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  17. Propagandist

    Propagandist Well-Known Member

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    Meaning we're at an impasse.
    I don't ignore
    things.
    And it doesn't change the
    way I feel, if
    I'm tired of talking
    about it.
     
  18. H.C.

    H.C. Well-Known Member

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    Yet you wrote 7 paragaphs talking about it.
    Only to then tell the other person to not respond and just agree to disagree.
    What if the other person is like you?

    Hilarious.
     
  19. BLAZINGGIANTS

    BLAZINGGIANTS Well-Known Member

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    You’re just now figuring this out, FAMS?
     
  20. Propagandist

    Propagandist Well-Known Member

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    Read what I wrote again & fo. We were sharing opinions. I read his he read mine and if he has more to say I'll read it but we have fundamentally different takes so it'd serve about as much purpose as responding to whatever you're doing here.
     
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