Trade 3 way Derrick Rose SAC/CHI/POR idea

[Draco]

With all the Derrick Rose rumors swirling around I was trying to think of a team that would trade for him. Sacramento seems like the type of franchise to try such. Here is an idea:

Kings get; Derrick Rose & Meyers Leonard
Bulls get; Rajon Rondo & Kosta Koufos
Blazers get; Joakim Noah & Willie Cauley-Stein

Kings add $2.6mil of salary, Bulls save $16.3mil and more next year, Blazers add $13.7mil

The Kings get Derrick Rose and a possible young talent with Meyers Leonard.
The Bulls save $16 million of salary this year, out of Derrick Rose $20+ million contract next year, and lock up a long term affordable lesser injury risk replacement of Joakim in Kosta. They improve the locker room with Rondo in place of Rose, which is a shocking statement.
The Blazers use the bulk of their salary space on Joakim, who may have trade value on his own at the deadline, but otherwise is an expiring contract, and they swap out Leonard with a more intriguing lottery pick rookie of Cauley-Stein.

The trade couldn't be completed until December 14 when Rondo and Koufos are eligible to be traded.

 

[illmatic99]

That looks awful for the Bulls.

And WCS has much more value than Leonard right now (and most likely for the near future).

 

[Strenuus]

Why would the Kings do that, though?

 

[Draco]

Might need to get some more veteran big man help to Sacramento; maybe Kaman their way or flip Meyers to a 4th team for a PF

 

[Draco]

That looks awful for the Bulls.

And WCS has much more value than Leonard right now (and most likely for the near future).

I agree WCS has more value; thats why we would be using $16mil of our cap space on Noah contract to save the Bulls luxury tax. The Bulls would get cap room from Rose's deal that they can use next summer.

Why would the Kings do that, though?

Why do the Kings do anything they do?

I could see them getting enamored with "former MVP" Derrick Rose. They might want to pair him with DMC in a desperate attempt to keep Cousins long term.

 

[BigGameDamian]

DRose will go to Houston if he's traded.

 

[Draco]

The premise is Derrick Rose to Sacramento
Salary relief and going in a fresh direction for the Bulls, who appear ready to move on from Rose
Blazers facilitate trade and absorb salary for young talent

I think those three criteria make a lot of sense to all teams; might need to adjust the specific pieces from my first post. But there's an opportunity for the Blazers in this type of trade.

 

[Strenuus]

DRose will go to Houston if he's traded.

Why?

 

[blue9]

Rondo is better than Rose.

 

[Strenuus]

Rondo is better than Rose.

Unfortunately, I have to agree.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Noah AND a hyphen?

You're trolling me, aren't you...

 

[Draco]

Could eliminate Meyers and WCS from the deal, have Hendo go to Sac and McLemore come to Portland. Sac would have to add minimum salary player.

I'd trade Hendo for Noah and McLemore. Then try to flip Noah to a contender at the deadline.

 

[magnifier661]

Frankly, I wouldn't want to do any deal like this unless we have a legit starter coming back or draft picks. Noah counts as a starter, but his knees man!

 

[Draco]

Frankly, I wouldn't want to do any deal like this unless we have a legit starter coming back or draft picks. Noah counts as a starter, but his knees man!

Why do we have to get a for sure starter back? We wouldn't be giving up one; unless you project Meyers or Hendo as one long term.

WCS or McLemore have starter upside.

 

[BonesJones]

Here's an idea:
Trade nobody for nobody. It's a win-win for everybody.

 

[Strenuus]

Here's an idea:
Trade nobody for nobody. It's a win-win for everybody.

Except for nobody. He's screwed.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Here's an idea:
Trade nobody for nobody. It's a win-win for everybody.

Doesn't work under the cap.

 

[BonesJones]

Doesn't work under the cap.

Not if you use Nobody's trade exception from when we traded Nobody for NoOne.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Not if you use Nobody's trade exception when we traded Nobody for NoOne.

We need a ruling from @BrianFromWA

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Kings are 1-4 and going nowhere, even with Cousins.
Cousins is out.
Cousins and coach still don't see eye to eye.
Kings have 2 other actually pretty good centers (Koufos, Cauley-Stein)

Cousins for Biebs, Plumlee, Hendo + capspace

4,5: Cousins, Davis, Vonleh
3: Aminu/Harkless
1,2: Dame, CJ, Crabbe

 

[Draco]

Kings are 1-4 and going nowhere, even with Cousins.
Cousins is out.
Cousins and coach still don't see eye to eye.
Kings have 2 other actually pretty good centers (Koufos, Cauley-Stein)

Cousins for Biebs, Plumlee, Hendo + capspace

4,5: Cousins, Davis, Vonleh
3: Aminu/Harkless
1,2: Dame, CJ, Crabbe

I don't see the Kings trading Cousins this season. Maybe next year when they get off to another bad start and his free agency clock is ticking. They gave up draft picks to the 6ers so they don't have as much incentive to tank. I think they'd rather make a risky stupid trade and try to win now even though it won't work.

 

[dviss1]

Kings are 1-4 and going nowhere, even with Cousins.
Cousins is out.
Cousins and coach still don't see eye to eye.
Kings have 2 other actually pretty good centers (Koufos, Cauley-Stein)

Cousins for Biebs, Plumlee, Hendo + capspace

4,5: Cousins, Davis, Vonleh
3: Aminu/Harkless
1,2: Dame, CJ, Crabbe

Yes. Cousins should be the real target.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I don't see the Kings trading Cousins this season. Maybe next year when they get off to another bad start and his free agency clock is ticking. They gave up draft picks to the 6ers so they don't have as much incentive to tank. I think they'd rather make a risky stupid trade and try to win now even though it won't work.

Maybe. But you didn't see the Kings trading for Rondo, or doing any of the mostly dumb things they've done (I think Belinelli was a good move). That's not a putdown, I and everyone else didn't see it either!

George Karl's history is that he gets young players to play hard and play well in his system. The 3 players I listed would be fantastic in Karl's system. Karl has tended to butt heads with older players who get tired of his schtick.

 

[Draco]

Maybe. But you didn't see the Kings trading for Rondo, or doing any of the mostly dumb things they've done (I think Belinelli was a good move). That's not a putdown, I and everyone else didn't see it either!

George Karl's history is that he gets young players to play hard and play well in his system. The 3 players I listed would be fantastic in Karl's system. Karl has tended to butt heads with older players who get tired of his schtick.

Well if they did trade Cousins we have to give up something. Your proposal has us keeping our 5 move valuable players and getting their best. No chance of that.

 

[Chris Craig]

I agree WCS has more value; thats why we would be using $16mil of our cap space on Noah contract to save the Bulls luxury tax. The Bulls would get cap room from Rose's deal that they can use next summer.



Why do the Kings do anything they do?

I could see them getting enamored with "former MVP" Derrick Rose. They might want to pair him with DMC in a desperate attempt to keep Cousins long term.

Why wouldn't the Kings do it...swap rondo for rose...vlade would shit himself...the question is why would the Blazers do it?

 

[Chris Craig]

Rondo is better than Rose.

I disagree...though Rondo may be better on the defensive end, Rose is the better player...look at the stats...if Rose hadn't been injured the last few years...they would be even further apart

 

[Draco]

I disagree...though Rondo may be better on the defensive end, Rose is the better player...look at the stats...if Rose hadn't been injured the last few years...they would be even further apart

Yes Rose has been injured, and many don't think he'll ever be the same. I'd rather have Rose the player but as an expiring contract I bet many teams would rather have Rondo.

 

[Draco]

Why wouldn't the Kings do it...swap rondo for rose...vlade would shit himself...the question is why would the Blazers do it?

To get a young talent WCS or McLemore.

 

[Chris Craig]

Not to hot on Stein... McLemore maybe

 

[santeesioux]

We should just absorb Rose to be our super six man since we're going to surprise some fools.