Not a lot of sympathy on this board. Obviously some people don't like Obamacare and it has impacted some/many negatively, and I feel bad for those people. But at the same time we have heard some heart warming stories from posters we associate with on a daily basis. To say Obamacare doesn't help anyone just isn't true. I understand there needs to be a balance and the jury is still out (at least for me) if this is good legislation for the country overall. But good god people, to just ignore the good it does (people with pre-existing conditions having no coverage before is one of them) seems so callous. if anyone thinks they have it bad having to pay more money, how would someone feel if they had a serious illness or condition living in US and unable to get treated because they don't have health care. The state of healthcare is not a win/win situation right now. Many people who need medical care can't afford it. Regardless of whose fault it is, in a super nation like ours, you got take your the sick.
You do realize the ACA did not change much in Oregon if you are on the Oregon plan. There are a whole host of things they will not treat, Cancer being one. I expect Oregon has been leading the way in how this stuff will be rationed in the future. "Controversy The Oregon Health Plan became the focus of national scrutiny in 2003, after deep budget cuts led to 100,000 people in mental health and/or substance abuse treatment losing prescription coverage under the program.[15] During 2008 and 2009, the Oregon Health Plan stirred up controversy when enforcing 1994 guidelines[16] to only cover comfort care, and not to cover cancer treatment such as chemotherapy, surgery and radiotherapy for patients with less than a 5% chance of survival over five years.[17] Springfield resident Barbara Wagner said her oncologist prescribed the chemotherapy drug Tarceva for her lung cancer, but that Oregon Health Plan officials sent her a letter declining coverage for the drug, and informing her that they will only pay for palliative care and physician-assisted suicide. She appealed the denial twice, but lost both times.[18] Tarceva drugmaker Genentech agreed to supply her the $4000-a-month[19] drug free of charge.[20] Wagner's plight garnered a flurry of attention from the media,[21] the blogosphere,[22][23][24][25] and triggered protest from religious groups.[26][27][28] Wagner died in October 2008, three weeks after starting Tarceva.[29]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Health_Plan http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...ssisted_suicide_not_drugs_for_cancer_patient/
Sick people are ruining our healthcare system. If we could eliminate that problem we wouldn't need something like Obamacare.
You make some real fairytale assumptions MarAzul..I grew up in the era of a military draft, do you know how many of my friends came back from war missing limbs or worse? Did they have the right to earn that? Do paraplegics have the right after they are born severly disabled. My parents were both dust bowl orphans, but I guess they should have been happier about that too! According to your views you must live a very insular life in a bubble because buddy, that's not the real world and that's not what true democracy is meant to represent to this patriot. I guess if your house is burning down you could just forget calling the fire dept because they aren't required to help you, you've got to provide your own ladder and hose.
Well said. I'm not against improvements in obamacare, in fact I hope members on both sides of the isle work together to get our healthcare system working efficiently and not overburdening individuals or the economy. But some form of universal healthcare needs to remain, we can't be a nation that doesn't help the weak and indigent, especially when it comes to healthcare. This pic is from before obamacare, the green countries have some form of universal healthcare. Which developed nations don't have some form? Mexico and Turkey, not too many others. And personally I'd rather share aspects with the ones in green than the ones in grey.
Hey how you doing Riv? You won't find me lamenting the load I was dealt. Heck I am really happy having lived a long life with more in plan. I probably started out sort of average but had to get er done through my early life without Dad, he is still on his last cruise in the Pacific. I lived with some people until I was 16 then the house burned down. Funny you should mention that, but I got back to the house from High School just in time to see that it was too late to do shit about it. Never saw those people again that I was living with. Well hell, I rented a house and finished High School and proud to say, Valedictorian too. Worked in the wood that summer, choker set on a High lead crew, then the rigging slinger. Hot damn that was all fun and quite an experience. Went down to Corvallis early fall to play football but the new coach red shirted me, then played a little freshman Basketball, but dang I didn't get my scholarship. I was taking classes and eating and all but not really in school officially. Danged if I didn't get a Draft notice and I didn't have shit to show why I couldn't go. Talked to a Senior Basketball player, he was 25 and had already served a tour in Korea. He told me, I better forget about school right now because they want you After you serve your military time. That's why you don't have a scholarship. Just like him. So I activated my status with the Navy Reserve and went to the best school I ever attended in San Diego. Severed six years with the United States Navy and it was a dam good time, I learned much. Never did go back to Corvallis, they kind of tweaked my jaws a little when the Navy sent me to UC for awhile. I wanted to sort of expidite the scholarship while I was there so I skipped the foot ball but I did want to play basketball. All went well for a few weeks then the Coach informed me that I was not going to get to play ball at UC. Corvallis said I belonged to them and that was that. Well the Coach at UC at the time was an old Navy man and he new an Admiral that wanted to start a team to play some other service team and early season college games. They asked me to coach the team. We had a heck of a good time, the experience was marvelous. After the Navy, I worked a career with IBM and I had healthcare provided by that company for 52 years until Obama decided to levy a tax on them for covering me and my wife(and about 400,000 other retirees). That pissed me off. But hell I am a Priority Group 3 veteran in the VA system, and I bought my wife some insurance. All in all it has been great, but I do not like the government fucking with what I earned like they have done! That really pisses me off.
Hey man! Good to hear your story, sounds a bit like mine, 32nd st NTC radioman. Graduated NTC in 71. I don't blame the govt though, I blame your company. Mine kept me 2 hrs short of the 40 to cover my family but I had coverage but now both the wife and son have coverage and it's not very expensive. I paid out of pocket for my son and wife until Obama care was available so for me, it's been a relief. My job of 12 years turns quite a profit by keeping us just under the hours to fully insure the whole family. Somebody has to speak up for those who benefit from the change and my family has.
By the way, if folks really want to complain about insurance, it's the insurance companies that are screwing folks, not the government.
No my friend, the fault is directly on the designers of Obama care including him. The purpose of this tax is to eliminate the self insured companies from providing health care in the Self insured system. No way is this tax going to produce revenue and there is no logic at all to taxing a company for each employee or retiree they cover. First the retirees and spouses go, soon we will see the regular employees. Geez man these companies were already paying a ton covering us the the government says pay millions more in taxes or quit covering them!!! Fuck you know what the answer is before you ask the damn question. This is fucking with people and trashing their Liberty and making a mockery of justice and the Constitution all in one fucking action by design. Read the shit that the architect wrote, Dr Ezekiel Emanuel. This is a plan and I wish the hell people would wake the fuck up.
Not only that, they had the ability to "persuade" Obama and Democrats in Congress (no republican votes) to enact a law requiring people to buy insurance. Who benefits?
spoken like a true insurance agent or GOP hardliner. Don't like Obama care, I get it. Don't like the current administration, I get it. Way to discuss a topic with civility
Think about it. I think somewhere around 60 percent of the population that had health insurance coverage recieve their coverage from Self Insured employers. That means the Insurance Companies where not selling those plans, where not making a profit on those plans. Now some of those self insured employers hire an insurance company to administer their plan for a fee but that is the extent of insurance companies involvement. This ACR is much about eliminating that system to force all those people to BUY insurance on the Insurance Company market. To buy the plans that OBama an the Democrats want people to buy. One hell of a boon to the Insurance companies, they will have the entire population under the government stick that you must BUY this insurance now sold only buy Insurance Companies. The tax on Self Insured Employers will continue except for Labor Unions which Obama under his personal steam ruled they were to be excepted this Tax. But Corporations will continue to be forced to pay the tax, or drop the insurance coverage. The can do this without pain for retirees and dependents and many have done so. They will have to pay a fine if they do not cover active employees, but that is much less than cost than providing the health care coverage. It appears to me that 60% of the population is being misused and abused for the benefit of the insurance companies and Democrat control of their lives, making them beholding to Democrat Representatives that will give them Better Health Care. Shit! Wait until you see the cost cutting begin on the medical care that you receive!! If the insurance companies don't make money in this system, the US government is obligated to reimburse the Insurance company! See the Oregon Plan on how to save costs on healthcare. They have discovered that it is much cheaper to let a Cancer patient die than to extend the persons life with treatment. Wonderful hey!! You have heard of the death panel, and it has been poo poohed big time. Well Oregon has that panel and so does the ACR legislation and that panel is to be unencumbered by oversight of Congress. I fail to see how a sane person could ever vote for a Democrat again, remember Not One Republican voted for this atrocity.
more often than not, poor folks don't answer the door when pollsters compile these stats. Some don't have doors or telephones or computers.
My last gasp on this topic. One thing I've encountered or rather my wife and son have encountered in Oregon are doctors or clinics not accepting the insurance they now have and the docs who do are booked up. This needs to be addressed, doctors should not be allowed to refuse care because of the company providing it. I've never been a partisan member of any political party, for most of my adult life there haven't been candidates I wanted in office so I'd vote against a candidate instead of for one. That's sad. I'm pissed at Congress more than any govt branch. There's a lot of spin in the debate that is not founded in humanitarian need, but in making the other guys look bad. I've had enough, I vote and voice my opinion but have no real faith in politicians to work for the people. Fact is we don't personally know these guys, we just have the news articles and media spin to make our cases. We make choices but as Americans need to stop talking at each other and start talking with each other. If you really feel strongly about something, go out and do something about it. Write your representatives, get an orange crate, express your own truth and more power to you. Just please don't assume everyone is bipartisan or even politically affiliated. Many democracies in the world have socialized medicine and public services yet are still capatilistic cultures. These things can and do coexist.
Gee, why was there that last second rush to sign up? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...s_wise_to_flee_the_coming_tsunami_122190.html It’s clear, now, that every promise Democrats made about Obamacare was false. You can’t always keep your doctor if you want to. Health insurance premiums for many people have gone way up, not down. So has government spending on health care. Many of the uninsured don’t like Obamacare and don’t plan to buy it. And it’s clear, too, that this administration couldn’t organize a two-car funeral. The assumption Democrats made that, once implemented, Obamacare would be popular ranks up there with Custer’s assumption there were only a few Indians at the Little Big Horn. In an AP/GFK poll March 28 in which 30 percent of respondents were Democrats, Obamacare drew support from just 26 percent. Soon, Democrats may look back wistfully on that poll as a high water mark. When they wrote the Obamacare law, they front-loaded what they thought were the goodies and postponed the pain. So they should know better than anyone what’s coming down the pike.
And you're ignoring all of the "heart warming" stories that took place before obamacare existed. People have been helping others who are sick for ages. It doesn't take a terrible Federal government mandate to get people to help others. The mandate is a terrible attempt to fix a problem and the people pushing it through aren't doing it for the reasons you would like to believe.
