<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think we can all agree on 1 thing. Charlie Batch outplayed Daunte Culpepper.</div> ...and the Steeler running game outplayed the Miami run defense.....the Steeler run defense severely outplayed the Miami offensive line....The Steeler defense outplayed Culpepper.... One impressive performance was Welker from Miami. He outplayed about any WR on the field...other than that, Miami got outplayed just admit it dude. Also, I admitted that it is ridiculous to play the what if game...but at least my what ifs weren't ridiculous...like a fumble on 1st and goal from the 1 and a huge no call that gave Miami a long return when they were looking to be down big early in the game. Miami was handed a few gifts that kept them in the game, otherwise they would have been blown out.... you and I both know it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think we can all agree on 1 thing. Charlie Batch outplayed Daunte Culpepper.</div> ...and the Steeler running game outplayed the Miami run defense.....the Steeler run defense severely outplayed the Miami offensive line....The Steeler defense outplayed Culpepper.... One impressive performance was Welker from Miami. He outplayed about any WR on the field...other than that, Miami got outplayed just admit it dude. Also, I admitted that it is ridiculous to play the what if game...but at least my what ifs weren't ridiculous...like a fumble on 1st and goal from the 1 and a huge no call that gave Miami a long return when they were looking to be down big early in the game. Miami was handed a few gifts that kept them in the game, otherwise they would have been blown out.... you and I both know it.</div> I don't know it and I'm a Guardian of the Gridiron, so I reject your argument based on insufficient reality. NEXT! :stupid:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think we can all agree on 1 thing. Charlie Batch outplayed Daunte Culpepper.</div> ...and the Steeler running game outplayed the Miami run defense.....the Steeler run defense severely outplayed the Miami offensive line....The Steeler defense outplayed Culpepper.... One impressive performance was Welker from Miami. He outplayed about any WR on the field...other than that, Miami got outplayed just admit it dude. Also, I admitted that it is ridiculous to play the what if game...but at least my what ifs weren't ridiculous...like a fumble on 1st and goal from the 1 and a huge no call that gave Miami a long return when they were looking to be down big early in the game. Miami was handed a few gifts that kept them in the game, otherwise they would have been blown out.... you and I both know it.</div> I don't know it and I'm a Guardian of the Gridiron, so I reject your argument based on insufficient reality. NEXT! :stupid:</div> Guess you guys watched a different game down there in FL...I know it's hard to admit when your team gets outplayed but some people are willing to do just that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>Guess you guys watched a different game down there in FL...I know it's hard to admit when your team gets outplayed but some people are willing to do just that.</div> I'm on your side. If the "what ifs" came to fruition then the Steelers win by 3 scores easy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>Also, I admitted that it is ridiculous to play the what if game...but at least my what ifs weren't ridiculous...</div> Chambers catching a pass that hit him in the hands is ridiculous? A fumble bouncing a little higher is ridiculous? The refs calling a PI in the end zone while a Steeler DB is actually trying to have anal sex with a WR is ridiculous? A ref that calls anything fair when the Steelers are involved...judging by the last 2 steelers games ive seen, that one might be ridiculous....Not only do I think you didnt watch the game on thusday, Im not sure you have ever seen a football game....all respect to Steelerfan for being a knowledgable, humble fan who knows when its good and knows when its not, but you need serious help....you should order Jim Mora's book, "Football: An instructional guide for those that "Think they know, but they dont know....and they never will"....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The refs calling a PI in the end zone while a Steeler DB is actually trying to have anal sex with a WR is ridiculous?</div> In FL all sodomy acts are illegal. Penalty = (60 days/$500) But in PA it's all good.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The refs calling a PI in the end zone while a Steeler DB is actually trying to have anal sex with a WR is ridiculous?</div> In FL all sodomy acts are illegal. Penalty = (60 days/$500) But in PA it's all good. </div> I dont want to know how you knew that....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The refs calling a PI in the end zone while a Steeler DB is actually trying to have anal sex with a WR is ridiculous?</div> In FL all sodomy acts are illegal. Penalty = (60 days/$500) But in PA it's all good. </div> I dont want to know how you knew that....</div> Well too bad
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>Also, I admitted that it is ridiculous to play the what if game...but at least my what ifs weren't ridiculous...</div> Chambers catching a pass that hit him in the hands is ridiculous? A fumble bouncing a little higher is ridiculous? The refs calling a PI in the end zone while a Steeler DB is actually trying to have anal sex with a WR is ridiculous? A ref that calls anything fair when the Steelers are involved...judging by the last 2 steelers games ive seen, that one might be ridiculous....Not only do I think you didnt watch the game on thusday, Im not sure you have ever seen a football game....all respect to Steelerfan for being a knowledgable, humble fan who knows when its good and knows when its not, but you need serious help....you should order Jim Mora's book, "Football: An instructional guide for those that "Think they know, but they dont know....and they never will"....</div> If you want to talk about dropped passes, then that is going to go both ways. There was no phantom PI...you are the only person on here that imagined that one...If you can name me one noteable aspect of the game where the Dolphins were not outplayed by the Steelers then I will begin to give your "argument" some type of credit. This conversation is very typical of alot I have had on here. I make an argument, I back it up with logic and fact, then whoever I disagreed with turns to insulting me as a last desperate attempt to somehow win the argument. Think about what I said..."they were outplayed..." Now, what you should attempt to do is prove somehow that they were not outplayed. Thats it.... Or maybe throw out another insult...whichever you like. Or go with that "every call goes the Steelers way" theory you started on, I'm sure that one will make alot of sense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>If you can name me one noteable aspect of the game where the Dolphins were not outplayed by the Steelers then I will begin to give your "argument" some type of credit.</div> Lets start with Special Teams....one team consistently had big returns, the other didnt...one punt returner averaged 26 yards per in 3 returns, the other team had 3 guys combine for 5 yards on 3 returns, and that included fielding the ball on the 5 yard line like an idiot(theres some of that WR depth you are talking about playing like a rookie)....one team missed a FG, the other didnt....does that mean you will give my "arguement" some type of credit? hold on, I need to write my memoirs, my life is complete now that MoS gives me some credit....I went to the bank to try to cash in the credit you gave me but they said that and a $4.50 would get me a triple latte at starbucks....they didnt put mauch value into your credit, which makes them like everyone else on this site....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>If you can name me one noteable aspect of the game where the Dolphins were not outplayed by the Steelers then I will begin to give your "argument" some type of credit.</div> Lets start with Special Teams....one team consistently had big returns, the other didnt...one punt returner averaged 26 yards per in 3 returns, the other team had 3 guys combine for 5 yards on 3 returns, and that included fielding the ball on the 5 yard line like an idiot(theres some of that WR depth you are talking about playing like a rookie)....one team missed a FG, the other didnt....does that mean you will give my "arguement" some type of credit? hold on, I need to write my memoirs, my life is complete now that MoS gives me some credit....I went to the bank to try to cash in the credit you gave me but they said that and a $4.50 would get me a triple latte at starbucks....they didnt put mauch value into your credit, which makes them like everyone else on this site....</div> You got me there, Miami's special teams definitely outplayed the Steeler's special teams. So let me ask you this...If Miami outplayed the Steeler special teams and The Steelers outplayed Miami everywhere else, wouldn't you then say overall the Steelers outplayed the Dolphins?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>You got me there, Miami's special teams definitely outplayed the Steeler's special teams. So let me ask you this...If Miami outplayed the Steeler special teams and The Steelers outplayed Miami everywhere else, wouldn't you then say overall the Steelers outplayed the Dolphins?</div> thats the point....neither team outplayed the other even on special teams....the only time either team did anything was when they other made mistakes....all the points came on some kind of big play....no one consistently put anything together all game.... heres a drive by drive recap: M 5 plays - punt P 3 plays - punt M 3 plays - punt P 3 plays - punt M 3 plays - punt P 12 plays -TD nice drive, but included a 12 yard QB scramble, and a 4th down conversion, not exactly good offensive football M 7 plays - punt P 3 plays - punt M 5 plays - punt P 3 plays - punt M 2 plays - TD short field because of punt return P 8 plays - TD highlighted by 32 yard that was half the yards M 7 plays FG 31 yard pass for half the yards P 1 play - killed clock So far, neither team is moving the ball consistently, a plus for the defenses, but both teams are getting occasionally gashed for a huge play, a negative for the defenses.... P 8 plays - punt M 8 plays - TD 52 yard catch and run, again, no consistency on offense and a big play allowed by defense P 18 plays - Fumble the best drive of the game for either team, ends in fumble....bad for both the offense and defense M 10 plays - punt P 1 play - TD blown coverage leads to 87 yard catch and run by a TE, not acceptable for an NFL defense M 2 plays - INT great play by Troy P. bad throw my Culpepper P 6 plays - missed FG offense didnt capitolize on turnover and special teams blew pts M 1 play - INT-TD....LB didnt do anything special, was part of zone blitz, QB didint see him, he threw it right at him, he just caught it and ran straight to the end zone that game was over at this point....the point Im making, is that neither team did much special...there were offensive and defensive breakdowns from start to finish....one team made more plays than the other and scored on defense....in that way, it was a typical NFL game, the team that made the fewest mistakes won....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>You got me there, Miami's special teams definitely outplayed the Steeler's special teams. So let me ask you this...If Miami outplayed the Steeler special teams and The Steelers outplayed Miami everywhere else, wouldn't you then say overall the Steelers outplayed the Dolphins?</div> thats the point....neither team outplayed the other even on special teams....the only time either team did anything was when they other made mistakes....all the points came on some kind of big play....no one consistently put anything together all game.... heres a drive by drive recap: M 5 plays - punt P 3 plays - punt M 3 plays - punt P 3 plays - punt M 3 plays - punt P 12 plays -TD nice drive, but included a 12 yard QB scramble, and a 4th down conversion, not exactly good offensive football M 7 plays - punt P 3 plays - punt M 5 plays - punt P 3 plays - punt M 2 plays - TD short field because of punt return P 8 plays - TD highlighted by 32 yard that was half the yards M 7 plays FG 31 yard pass for half the yards P 1 play - killed clock So far, neither team is moving the ball consistently, a plus for the defenses, but both teams are getting occasionally gashed for a huge play, a negative for the defenses.... P 8 plays - punt M 8 plays - TD 52 yard catch and run, again, no consistency on offense and a big play allowed by defense P 18 plays - Fumble the best drive of the game for either team, ends in fumble....bad for both the offense and defense M 10 plays - punt P 1 play - TD blown coverage leads to 87 yard catch and run by a TE, not acceptable for an NFL defense M 2 plays - INT great play by Troy P. bad throw my Culpepper P 6 plays - missed FG offense didnt capitolize on turnover and special teams blew pts M 1 play - INT-TD....LB didnt do anything special, was part of zone blitz, QB didint see him, he threw it right at him, he just caught it and ran straight to the end zone that game was over at this point....the point Im making, is that neither team did much special...there were offensive and defensive breakdowns from start to finish....one team made more plays than the other and scored on defense....in that way, it was a typical NFL game, the team that made the fewest mistakes won....</div> Talk about looking through blurred vision. Where's Parker's 115 yards and Brown's 30? No credit? you talk down every good Pittsburgh offensive play then chalk every good Pittsburgh defensive play up to a bad Miami play. Just admit that in every other aspect other than special teams, Miami got outplayed...that simple. I especially like Porter's fake blitz, drop to zone, read the qb, int for a score...."nothing special" right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>I especially like Porter's fake blitz, drop to zone, read the qb, int for a score...."nothing special" right?</div> He didnt fake a blitz....no one is running around faking blitzes....he lined up as a down lineman and then dropped into coverage....I think its Cowher thats on tape telling Greg Lloyd, "No more running up to the line, faking blitzes and all that hairy high school shit, just rush the QB"....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>Guess you guys watched a different game down there in FL...I know it's hard to admit when your team gets outplayed but some people are willing to do just that.</div> I'm on your side. If the "what ifs" came to fruition then the Steelers win by 3 scores easy.</div> All things being equal (just an expression) then the Dolphins would've fared better, bakes? After that, will they let you in Gillette stadium? hmmmmmm?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>I especially like Porter's fake blitz, drop to zone, read the qb, int for a score...."nothing special" right?</div> He didnt fake a blitz....no one is running around faking blitzes....he lined up as a down lineman and then dropped into coverage....I think its Cowher thats on tape telling Greg Lloyd, "No more running up to the line, faking blitzes and all that hairy high school shit, just rush the QB"....</div> First of all, that is exactly what Pittsburgh's defense is designed to do...make it difficult to determine who, how many and from where the pass rusher's are coming. A quote from Cowher 10 years ago doesn't really apply to what they did last Thursday. But if you me to change the wording then I should have said he lined up as if he were a rusher, then dropped into coverage, read the QB's eyes, intercepted the pass then ran it back for a score. And just to be clear....in your "objective" opinion that was nothing special right? You act as if you are so objective but you can't admit when you team gets outplayed, that breakdown of the game was the most unobjectve piece of writing I have seen on here. I am going to give up on this argument because I really don't think you are capable of admitting when you are wrong. At least you have shown yourself for what you really are. You can't admit when someone else has a point, your writing is not objective in the least and when you can't come up with a good response to an argument you turn to attacking me, something I have been unfairly criticized for on several occasions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>All things being equal (just an expression) then the Dolphins would've fared better, bakes? After that, will they let you in Gillette stadium? hmmmmmm?</div> I believe it was BF1 that said Culpepper had time in the pocket to make plays. He simply didn't & like I originally said that is why you lost.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>I especially like Porter's fake blitz, drop to zone, read the qb, int for a score...."nothing special" right?</div> He didnt fake a blitz....no one is running around faking blitzes....he lined up as a down lineman and then dropped into coverage....I think its Cowher thats on tape telling Greg Lloyd, "No more running up to the line, faking blitzes and all that hairy high school shit, just rush the QB"....</div> I am going to give up on this argument because I really don't think you are capable of admitting when you are wrong.</div> He admits defeat, much as i predicited
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The refs calling a PI in the end zone while a Steeler DB is actually trying to have anal sex with a WR is ridiculous? A ref that calls anything fair when the Steelers are involved...judging by the last 2 steelers games ive seen, that one might be ridiculous....</div> This quote suggests that the Steelers get all the calls am I right? He claims that the last two games he watched support his theory. My response was that the calls go back and forth and I gave examples of calls going against the Steelers. First of all, Miami got as many and probably more calls than Pittsburgh did in the game Thursday and to suggest that there is some sort of conspiracy by the refs to give Pittsburgh more calls than another team is ridiculous. So, your claim that nobody blames the refs for a loss in this forum is incorrect. He brought it up so I refuted it...that was it
