Wow, I think this would be a slam dunk, KP all over it like white on rice kind of deal. He's a career 12.7 PPG scorer and 37% 3pt shooter. He's really tall, too, though he can play against smaller guys at either end. A front court of Prince/LMA/Oden is SOLID.
Yep. it was just Gavin tossing out names at random and some Dertoit media honk saying yeah, he'd take the 24th, Rudy and Travis for Prince if it was offered. This isn't even a rumor, it's just two media types throwing around names on a slow sports day. BNM
I would not trade Rudy in a package for Prince. Nor would I include Batum in a package for Prince. We need Rudy and his outside shooting. We HAVE to keep at least one of Rudy or Blake long-term. Rudy his rookie season is already as good as Blake. Rudy only goes in a package for an awesome PG (Paul, Williams, Parker, Harris, Rose). With Batum, we have a player that looks to have a fair chance of duplicating the career of Prince, and an outside shot of being better than Prince. I would not give up the shot of a better Prince than Prince, just to get the certainty of the current Prince. That stated, I would not be adverse to trading Webster and Outlaw for Prince - though I very much doubt Detroit would be interested. I would also include this year's pick, and another future pick. Having a one-two punch of Prince and Batum at the wing would be excellent. Don't know how long you could keep both of them (possibly as little as one year), but when needed, trade one.
Detroit is the team that is desperate. They don't have much of a future. They got spanked in the first round. I don't see any reason to rush this. If we are in fact interested in Prince, I say wait them out.
To prove to himself and the rest of the league he could play in the NBA. Also, in order to play in the NBA, he had to come to Portland. Once he proves he is an NBA player (which he has already accomplished IMHO), then he can look for a situation that will give him money and minutes. Portland will not be able to afford to keep him, nor will they be able to give him huge minutes. Why wouldn't he want to maximize his stay in the NBA? Rudy could start right now for a few teams in the league.
he could have very easily told Portland to trade his rights to another team, or he owuld take one of the large offers he had in Europe. Could have gone through the same thing Rubio is going through. He got 26 minutes per game as a rookie. He will most likely get somewhere between 25-30 minutes per night. Most likely closer to 30. What do you mean maximize his stay? Staying in Portland probably maximizes his stay in the league mroe than playing 38 minutes a night, and he arguably has a better chance to win.
I do not want to trade Webster. Partly because I'm a fan, and partly because we are not likely to get much for him (Detroit would most likely not do the deal if it was him instead of Rudy) and we still don't know how good he is going to be. The guy is 22 and was showing improvement before his injury. Even if it is just pre season and training camp and rumors of his improvement (it is well documented he has one of the best work ethics, if not the best, on the team), we don't know how it will turn out. Basically I don't think we should do anything with him yet. He could be the perfect backup SF down the line.
Are you implying Prince is not a good fit for Portland, or just pointing out a fact of his career? Since the starters are picked by fans, I don't think making the All-Star game is a very good yardstick. He was selected for the Olympic team, though. That carries more weight with me then a popularity contest does.
I'd be willing to part with Rudy and Outlaw if it meant we could also somehow get Maxiell. Otherwise, I don't know if it is worth it at this point to go after an aging Prince.
If your not willing to trade him, who the hell are you willing to trade? *noted that you did include that we wouldn't get much for him. but you also included 2 other factors.
i don't see this. prince is a significant upgrade over batum currently and i have a hard time seeing batum catch up to prince for another couple of years(if he ever gets there). i think you're overrating batum by quite a bit. with that said, i wouldn't trade rudy, outlaw, and 24 for prince. rudy along with the rest is too much to give. but i would do any combination of three of sergio, webster, outlaw, and 24 to get prince(and really probably even all 4 of them).
Over the past four seasons, Prince has been a tick above average for a starter, around a 15.5 PER. Batum had about a 13 PER, so a bit below average as a starter. So in terms of measurable production, Prince is better but not hugely better. I think Batum can close that gap as soon as next season, considering that he's at the steepest part of his development curve. That leaves defense, which is hard to quantify. Prince is a very good defender, but not as good as he was around 2005, when he was peaking defensively, in my opinion. Batum is also a very good defender in my estimation. I don't think there's a significant difference between them on defense. As far as sketchy but "unbiased" evidence about defense, Prince has had about a 107-108 Defensive Rating for the past three seasons. Batum clocked in at a 108 Defensive Rating last season. Sample size issues, of course, so it's nothing conclusive. But it agrees with my observation.
I immediately wonder if Prince will do for the Blazers what Billups did for the Nuggets? But I would think a Rudy package can bring more than a Prince type player.
He isn't on the list because his PER for the playoffs was a negative number!!!! I have never seen that before. Daaaaaaammm. Scoll down to the bottom: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2009.html I wonder if Prince was hurt? He must have been.
Not a bad deal, but I'd rather just sign Hedo. I actually proposed a Rudy for TP deal on the Pistons board on realgm last offseason..funny if this came to fruition. I would give Rudy, 24, and ___ for TP, but the ___ will not be Outlaw, Bayless, or Batum.
