Saying Iverson replacing Nash on the Suns would've made for a championship team is a joke. I don't think some of you understand that what made Nash and the Suns' success is his ROLE, which is that of a point guard whose primary role is setting up his teammates, but who is capable of scoring. Iverson, you will say, has upped his assists numbers - that doesn't make him a point guard, it makes him a good passer (with good vision, and teammates who can score.) The key is that Iverson on the Suns would have made a HUGE difference in team dynamics - which is an underrated concept. The point guard position and the success of the team linked to the player in that position is a big part of team dynamics. Iverson can score, he can carry a team, but a team that gets carried sometimes has trouble succeeding as a unit.
The only way i could see someone picking Nash over Iverson is b/c AI doesnt get his team involved. But the people who say that obviously dont understand basketball the sixers are built where iverson and four other players are on the court the gameplan is get the ball to AI and let him do his thing If the suns signed me last off season i would have been in the running for MVP at all times of the game Nash has four people that he can pass it to and they would be able to create a shot for themselves. the 76ers have no where close to that talent.
no the Suns players can't create their own shots, the only players that can are Nash and Johnson and that was made clear in the playoffs
<u>Suns Roster With AI</u> Allen Iverson Joe Johnson Quentin Richardson Shawn Marion Amare Stoudemire <u>Sixers Roster With Nash</u> Steve Nash Andre Igoudala Kyle Korver Chris Webber Sammy Dalembert Don't tell me Nash would have put up MVP numbers with that lineup surrounding him. Iverson on the other hand did put up MVP calibur numbers playing with these guys. I would take Iverson anyday and I'm suprised by a lot of you choosing Nash. Nash is just another decent point guard when he isn't playing with 2 other All-Stars.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post"><u>Suns Roster With AI</u> Allen Iverson Joe Johnson Quentin Richardson Shawn Marion Amare Stoudemire <u>Sixers Roster With Nash</u> Steve Nash Andre Igoudala Kyle Korver Chris Webber Sammy Dalembert Don't tell me Nash would have put up MVP numbers with that lineup surrounding him. Iverson on the other hand did put up MVP calibur numbers playing with these guys. I would take Iverson anyday and I'm suprised by a lot of you choosing Nash. Nash is just another decent point guard when he isn't playing with 2 other All-Stars.</div> This is the second consecutive thread where I couldn't say it better myself. But the real why I wanted to reply to this thread is to ask this question... I see numerous posts saying that Iverson doesn't get his teammates involved, so I wanted to ask this question... Not counting early on in his career in which he was selfish, I'll admit that, but as of late saying the last 3 years or so <font color="Red">give me some kind of fact, stat or assessment that convince me that Iverson doesn't get his teammates involved?</font> Just one cold hard fact. What baffles me is that I don't see how averaging eight assists and getting more double-doubles this season than he's got in the past 4 years combined is not getting your teammates involved? How is having faith in your teammates in crunch time situations not getting your team involved? How is leading your team to the Playoffs with Dalembert, a Rookie, a one-dimensional 2nd year guy and an undersized PF (Kenny Thomas) not getting his teammates involved? He could have in no way done it all himself, and he is the best offensive player on the team so scoring 30 PPG a is a MUST in order for this team to win and at the same he still dishes out 8 dimes with the guys he has surrounding him, so again cane somebody tell me how he doesn?t get his teammates involved?
I would have to say AI, this was Steve Nashs first GREAT season, and hes 31 years old, AI already has had many great seasons, and hes only 29, right? But if you stick any PG in Pheonix then they will get the most assists in the league. If you look at who Steve Nash has on his roster compared to AI, Iverson has less talent to work with
i love AI. i dont know who to pick. AI doesnt really make his teammates better like steve nash does and he cant pass and drop dimes like steve does..steve nash can even score a whole lot and make clutch shots on the flip side AI is one of the best players in the NBA right now..
Iverson is obviously a better basketball player without a doubt. But I would rather have nash on my team because Iverson will always be good but everytime he gets another good teamate it never works out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post"><u>Suns Roster With AI</u> Allen Iverson Joe Johnson Quentin Richardson Shawn Marion Amare Stoudemire <u>Sixers Roster With Nash</u> Steve Nash Andre Igoudala Kyle Korver Chris Webber Sammy Dalembert Don't tell me Nash would have put up MVP numbers with that lineup surrounding him. Iverson on the other hand did put up MVP calibur numbers playing with these guys. I would take Iverson anyday and I'm suprised by a lot of you choosing Nash. Nash is just another decent point guard when he isn't playing with 2 other All-Stars.</div> That pretty much sums it up. Nice post and well put.
i'd take steve, even though AI is one of my favorite players, because players have a hard time playing along side AI.
^yeah thats true. as much as I love AI he can be a ball hog sometimes. and in response to this: <div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Swish15":</div><div class="quote_post">Suns Roster With AI Allen Iverson Joe Johnson Quentin Richardson Shawn Marion Amare Stoudemire Sixers Roster With Nash Steve Nash Andre Igoudala Kyle Korver Chris Webber Sammy Dalembert Don't tell me Nash would have put up MVP numbers with that lineup surrounding him. Iverson on the other hand did put up MVP calibur numbers playing with these guys. I would take Iverson anyday and I'm suprised by a lot of you choosing Nash. Nash is just another decent point guard when he isn't playing with 2 other All-Stars. </div> AI would demand the ball more than steve and therefore things would be alot different. and how do you know if its never happened before?? since steve is way more of a pass-first guy the team could be alot better than it is right now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">AI he can be a ball hog sometimes.</div> Can I get an example? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">AI would demand the ball more than steve and therefore things would be alot different. and how do you know if its never happened before?? since steve is way more of a pass-first guy the team could be alot better than it is right now.</div> True. But at the same time Iverson could have "success" with both line-ups while Nash can only make noise with just one of those two line-ups. In today's game I think the true stars are the ones who could make the most out of less and in that case players Nash should not be put in the same class as Iverson.
Iverson is a "GREAT" player!!! He took his team to the finals in 2001 against the Lakers. I beleive that over the years Philly has not made very much inprovement, don't get me wrong they are a great team. Steve Nash on the other hand, did a "WONDERFUL" job with the Mavs and still is doing a great job with the Suns. But when it all comes down i'll pick Steve Nash over Iverson.
Both are former MVP's in the 2000 era and both can play for me anyday. It all really depends on who I have on my team. If I am building a team from scratch, like maybe the Bobcats I would take Iverson. If I have players who have some talent and atletiscm and can put decent numbers on the board then ill take Nash and try and build for a championship. And no I am not saying that Iverson cannot help build a championship team.
