Well good point obviously I would bring up his rushing yards, because for the yards he doesnt make passing he makes up for with rushing, whats the problem? I know you seem to have a big problem with a QB that rushes like that, but its time to let it go cause despite what you feel it is PART OF THE GAME! Plus he happens to be one of the best for doing just that. And why the hell is Vick even a topic in here I wasnt the one to bring him up, he just gets brought up a lot when some of you happen to disagree with me as if it really matters that you have such a strong disliking opinion of him. I personally dont give a shit, so dont bother bringing him up anymore when its not part of the thread the topic was Feeley not Vick!
Do you even know what Vicks QB rating is? A freakin' 78.5. Last time I checked, that wasn't any good. In fact, that wasn't good at all. He averages 165 yards a game, that's nothing special at all. I could probably do that. He has 11, 11 TDs as a passer. He's averaging less than 1 TD a game, oh yea he's special alright. He's a great rusher, but he's had 2 TD's rushing. So overall, he's average 1 TD rushing and passing a game. Culpepper has 2 rushing TDs, but he has 30 passing TDs, McNabb has 3, but he has 28 passing TDs, christ even Jeff Garcia has 2 rushing TDs. Vick has Peerless Price and Crumpler, but he only has 11 passing TDs? I'm sorry but those stats are not impressive at all. He may be "electric" to watch, but that doesn't mean he's any good. If Vick could ever scramble for 14 seconds then throw a 60 yard pass to a reciever, I'd start thinking differently about him. He can run it, I'll give him that, but like BF always says, we're talking about QUARTERbacks, not RUNNINGbacks. A QB is much more effective passing it than running it
Oh here we go! I dont care what any of you think about Vick but since I started this thread off with a comment about Feeley and somehow we got to talking about Vick lets go there for a second, what does Feeley have like one of the worst QB ratings in the NFL right now? A pathetic 55.7 and you are here in a Feeley thread bitching about Vick! You all must be way too stuck up with that "pocket passer is God" bullshit! Incase you havent noticed Vick plays a different way then any of the other QBs I dont see the problem, does it bother you that someone is being unique and gets praised by the media for it, and it takes away from the rest, or do you just like to disagree for the hell of it? Oh and Westbrook are you just upset because Vick has more rushing yards then Westbrook, thats kinda sad for Westbrook aint it considering the QB can run better then the supposedly great RB, and hey last time I checked that RB should be doing better than a scrambling QB, who's got the issue..Westbrook or Vick...I'd say Westbrook, cant even out run a QB that according to you isnt all that great anyway, and yet the QB has more rush yards, better Avg of yards per carry, and what one less rushing TD. Wow if thats considered a bad thing for a QB to have some QB skills and RB skills thats pretty stupid, I see that as an added bonus to a teams offense.
Yea your right, but you forgot to add his 566 yards recieving. That adds up to about 1271 yards. There are 16 other QB's that have more than double that in passing yards alone, but I guess Vick still a great Quarterback, if that's what you want to call him. Westbrook averages 106 yards per game, to Vicks 230 yards a game (including rushing and passing for Vick, and rushing and recieving for Westbrook). He has over double his yardage correct? Well Vick is a QB, and the other rushing QBs are doing much better. McNabb is averaging almost 300 yards a game, Culpepper is averaging 314 yards a game. Now compare Westbrook to oh I don't know, Curtis Martin? He's averaging 120 yards a game, only 14 more yards than Westbrook. That's the only way I can try to show you that Westbrook is much more efficient than Vick at their positions. Compare them to the top, and Westbrook is much higher. I doubt you can really compare a QB's efficiency to a RB's, but you brought it up, not me. Vick is 21st in total passing yardage, behind Kerry Collins, Vinny Testaverde, Byron Leftwich, and TIM RATTAY. That's 4 different QB's that have played at least 2 less games than Vick, and still have more passing yards than a guy who's played all 12. Like I said before, Vick has Peerless Price, why isn't he getting any deep balls? Because Vick can't throw the deep ball. A QB that averages 1 TD a game (I'm even throwing in his 2 rushing TDs) is just sad. Now, as for me liking the pocket passer, that's totally wrong. I like the combination, and the balance between the 2. An ideal rushing QB is McNabb or Culpepper, guys that are smart enough to run behind the line of scrimmage and throw a bomb before they take off. It's just common sense that a deep pass will get more yards than a QB scramble.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianWestbrook)</div><div class='quotemain'>but like BF always says, we're talking about QUARTERbacks, not RUNNINGbacks. A QB is much more effective passing it than running it</div> You have been listening, I am impressed grasshopper, perhaps there is hope yet. First you must grab this pebble from my hand . . .
McNabb and Culpepper are hardly even much of rushing QBs anymore. Besides that Atlanta purposely has plays where Vick just takes off and runs the ball on his own because it works and lets face it when he takes off running he makes things happen most of the time. I definately think Vick can throw deep passes when needed, but they are just more of a rushing team and are successful right now doing so if they have a QB who has a great strength in running why not use it, most defenses are used to the pocket passer so throws them off and pretty much every game thats seen by the yards Vick gains on his own. That doesnt make Vick any less of a good QB, I just think the Falcons and Vick don't get enough credit for what they are doing this season, they just pretty much pass under everyones radar and are seen as over-rated and not worth saying much about. I would love to see them show up everyone and make it to the Super Bowl, maybe then people will give them some credit and look at them in a better light.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>Oh here we go! I dont care what any of you think about Vick but since I started this thread off with a comment about Feeley and somehow we got to talking about Vick lets go there for a second, what does Feeley have like one of the worst QB ratings in the NFL right now? A pathetic 55.7 and you are here in a Feeley thread bitching about Vick! You all must be way too stuck up with that "pocket passer is God" bullshit! Incase you havent noticed Vick plays a different way then any of the other QBs I dont see the problem, does it bother you that someone is being unique and gets praised by the media for it, and it takes away from the rest, or do you just like to disagree for the hell of it? Oh and Westbrook are you just upset because Vick has more rushing yards then Westbrook, thats kinda sad for Westbrook aint it considering the QB can run better then the supposedly great RB, and hey last time I checked that RB should be doing better than a scrambling QB, who's got the issue..Westbrook or Vick...I'd say Westbrook, cant even out run a QB that according to you isnt all that great anyway, and yet the QB has more rush yards, better Avg of yards per carry, and what one less rushing TD. Wow if thats considered a bad thing for a QB to have some QB skills and RB skills thats pretty stupid, I see that as an added bonus to a teams offense.</div> i did not just bash Vick, i compared him in a light that showed how he was barely better than AJ feeley at throwing the ball. You are the one who insulted Feeley and since Vick is only slightly better than Feeley YOU insulted Vick. Second, I also bashed the whole falcons as a team. They are a loud toothless dog, that is not fit to eat the scraps from my table. Finally, your comparison of westbrook to vick, proves that vicks is the worst starting QB in the league. Any other QB you could have found at least one Qb in the league you could have compared him favorably to, but not Vick.
I didnt insult Vick and I didnt say you did either but you have in other threads. Me insulting Vick though is simply just your interpretation of it because you seem to know everything about everything and anything that comes up as a topic. Are you this thick headed and stupid because the Bears are shit and you have nothing better to do than come down on the teams and players that actually are doing well this season, cause if so I feel sorry for ya really but its time to grow up and get over it already, because its getting a little old by now.
Out come the claws....you cant defend your point so you launch a personal attack, well done....i guess its not just select Eagle fans, its fans of teams with birds for mascots....
Or maybe its just BF1, because he seems to get quite a few personal attacks from select people, arguing with him is the most pointless thing because he seems to have everything all figured out already in his own mind anyway! And for the record I can defend my point just not to yours or his liking obviously and thats okay because nothing I can say would change his mind anyway, he isnt open to other opinions only his own and its that or nothing!
I assure you that BF1 is a reasonable person....I have successfully argued many points against him and convinced him of a veiwpoint that he didnt originally share....If you can show him evidence that Michael Vick is a good NFL starting QB, than he will agree with you, and so would I....the problem is, I have never seen anything from Vick that indicates he is anything more than an explosive talent that cant produce anywhere near his abilities the majority of the time....the bottomline is that the numbers indicate a QB that is struggling, not excelling....the Falcons are a team that wins despite his short comings, not because of his strengths.....They beat the worst team in the league by 2(21-19 vs. SF), they won 6-3 against the Cards, the scored just 10 points against detroit(and lost), they scored just 10 points against KC(and lost), the worst defense in the league, a team that regualry gives up a ton of points, they scored 14 against the Giants and were shut out by the Bucs.....those arent the numbers you expect from a top tier QB.....look at the facts, that defense makes the team good, Vick inhibits them.....I have given you opinions and I have backed them up with facts, if you want to convince me Im wrong, you need to bring forth some facts that will disprove my point....I anxiously await your argument.....
Look I'm not saying Vick has produced the best numbers this year, or last year even. I am also a stong believer in the fact that stats dont mean everything and are not always a clear indicator of how great a QB is, and because a QB doesnt have the stats he should have, or that other QBs in the league have does it make him any less of a good QB? No it doesnt. QBs have bad games and bad seasons just like any other player is capable of having. Correct? Vick had one great season, so okay if he is capable of having a great season I'm convinced he obviously has some skill to compete in the NFL as a starting QB. Is he struggling...maybe, could he be doing better than he is....absolutely! Despite his performance this year or anything else, I'm still standing by the fact that he infact is a good QB with a lot of potential, like I have said before there is always room for improvement especially on a younger QB like Vick is. I'm just very shocked at how many people think he just isnt fit for the NFL or to be a starter and I cant imagine why, but I guess thats just their opinion I myself cant say that I see why though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>Vick had one great season, so okay if he is capable of having a great season</div> When did he have a great season?
55-78 You know what that is? The combined record of the Falcons opponets. That is why I'm not impreesed by them, because they haven't played anybody worth the crap I scrap off my shoe after a walk through a cow field
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianWestbrook)</div><div class='quotemain'>55-78 You know what that is? The combined record of the Falcons opponets. That is why I'm not impreesed by them, because they haven't played anybody worth the crap I scrap off my shoe after a walk through a cow field</div> LMAO. They did lose two games to teams with losing records by a combined score fo 83-10, plus they beat AZ and Detroit, by a combined 16-10 score.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>Or maybe its just BF1, because he seems to get quite a few personal attacks from select people, arguing with him is the most pointless thing because he seems to have everything all figured out already in his own mind anyway! And for the record I can defend my point just not to yours or his liking obviously and thats okay because nothing I can say would change his mind anyway, he isnt open to other opinions only his own and its that or nothing!</div> The great thing about these forums is you dont have to read my posts. Then you will have no need to attack me personally. When you make a statement that I believe is untrue, i am going to post to the effect that i believe it is untrue. If you want to just attack me instead of discuss the point that is fine, I am not 12 i will get over it.
2002 he had a good year. Threw for 2936 yards, had 16 TD passes, only 8 INTs. Plus he rushed for 777 yards, and 8TDs. That was his second year out as well because in 2001 he was a rookie, I see that as a pretty good year for a young QB who was only a rookie the year before. If infact you're going to compare that to a certain rookie QB right now in the league dont bother because most rookies dont have that breakout the very first year they are starting. Therefore he is capable of everything I'm saying he is, he's done it before and regardless of if its happening right now, he can still do it. And you BF1 I cant be bothered to discuss points with you, gets me no where, you have your beliefs and I have mine, now lets just leave it at that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>I guess this will teach me to start a silly thread about A.J. Feeley. </div> Sorry, I did not mean to get off target talking about Kordell the Second
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>I guess this will teach me to start a silly thread about A.J. Feeley. </div> Sorry, I did not mean to get off target talking about Kordell the Second</div> Kordell the 2nd?? You mean the 1st did not have a stellar career like the media hoped he would??
