I was pro death penalty until I had to write a paper on the subject a while ago. In researching I just found that there are too many people convicted who later turn out to be innocent. If we could correct for that issue, I would be perfectly fine with the death penalty. I personally have no issues with people who commit heinous crimes being put to death, but I do have a problem with a severely flawed system being asked to determine who is and isn't guilty. Still there are two other big problems with the death penalty, the racially biased sentencing and the excessive cost, but in both of those if the original problem I had were corrected I feel we could work on these other two problems. But until we can have proof positive that the guilty are in fact guilty, I would rather not execute a sentence that can't be retracted if more information is gained.
Yeah it is racist!!!! Look at the discrepancy! http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/...us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-and-race
I'm pro choice and pro death penalty. I'm also pro guns but I don't think they should be used for abortions.
Why? You think women should be scared into not having abortions? "Here you stupid life killing whore, look at these pictures. LOOK AT THEM!" Or should it be like those anti drug commercials? "This is your fetus. This is your fetus skewered on wire coat hangers. Any questions?"
When does a fetus become a human? When it has a heart? When it has a brain? When it has eyes? When it can speak? When it can walk? 24 weeks is about as arbitrary as you can get. Being able to "remember what you were doing" is a ridiculous measuring stick as there are many fully grown adults with memory loss. Should they be aborted?
Not sure how you will ever obtain that. Beyond a reasonable doubt by the trier of facts is about the closest you can get to that. the system is flawed, but unless we go to big brother tactics, how do you have proof positive that guilty verdicts are in fact guilty? Sounds like you want a beyond all doubt standard?
Which I know is completely unreasonable, and the reason I am anti-death penalty. I think there is a decent chance that there will be new methods in the future that make it more and more unlikely that we nab the wrong person, and if that continues we may get to a point that it's basically beyond all doubt, but right now we are still turning over cases frequently. True fmri lie detectors are not quite there yet, but they are getting much closer. DNA evidence is already being used in many trials. If the death penalty can't be sought unless there are several different types of very specific criteria of evidence with high likelihood of being correct, then I could come around. The more we can rely on methods like that and not on witness testimony and circumstantial evidence the more comfortable I will be at accepting the death penalty. But right now, we just aren't there yet.
I made no strawman. I gave an example of a killing that is justified. MarAzul said none was, then changed his tune. So abortion is justified for a similar reason. You'll figure it out one of these days.
No you said we killed Obama without due process and it was wrong. I told you that it was right because it was a targeted assassination in defense. Then you went all weirdo and tried to cover the constitution when Obama would not fall in those rights, since he isn't American.
