Nobody in this conversation. Nobody that anybody takes seriously. Nobody in here supported arson of the police headquarters or wanted anybody hurt. The fire at the police headquarters was put out by the protesters, just like every other fire that was started in Portland. Pretending anybody in here or a large portion of people support those actions is incredibly counterproductive, IMO.
well i wasnt meaning people in this conversation would start a war. But there are people out on the streets who want this. On both sides. I kinda figured it an assumed consensus no one here was talking about people in here, but talking of people out there.
Yes, I'm sure some people somewhere want a war. But not many people. I'm sure some people somewhere want the whole system burned down violently. But not many people. Certainly not most of the protesters (who are obviously the most motivated people to get reform in our area), since they kept putting the fires out. There will be no civil war. People should certainly keep pushing hard for change until enough change has been enacted that the weak are no longer targeted by those we pay to protect them.
okay but i can say the same about police. Sure some are racist and want to instill their hatred, but not many. How many racist reports? How many employed officers? Were gonna go round and round. I stated my opinion which is, if we arent careful and we try to speed things up for instant change and equality, we are doomed.
It doesn't matter. They are responsible and we pay them. The good ones will not have a problem with the changes because it will make their actual job easier. And the reward will be higher. The only going around and around is you making a claim which isn't supported by reality. And refusing to look at reality. This is another case of you wanting to believe something because you simply want to believe it. It's not logical.
okay. And i can say its not logical to think there wont be push back. Its all assumptions. You seem believe all will be kumbaya and i think thats not logical.
I didn't say there wouldn't be pushback. We're seeing pushback now. Hence the police not doing their job. The only people who want civil war are the right wing nut jobs who supported the attempted insurrection on the capital. That's who you sound like. But when people vote in leaders who hold cops accountable, or at worst, shut down the city police department or simply enforce a nationwide standard certificate system for police which can be revoked upon ruling of unprofessional behavior. Who are those nut jobs going to attack? The state police who take over? Are they going to attack county or state buildings because a cop can no longer be a police officer after shooting or beating a black kid? I'm asking you to think logically about this rather than just throwing out threats of civil war. Civil War with who? Police, KKK, Boogaloo Boys and Proud Boys against who? I'm simply asking for any scenario which seems reasonable to you. I'm not asking you to predict the exact future. If civil war is inevitable if we force fast change there must be dozens of ways it could start. Just actually try to step through a logical chain of events that would have to happen to get to the point of civil war by giving everybody Universal Healthcare, universal community college, and firing/prosecuting law enforcement who abuse their position of power, over say, the next decade. Walk as through a reasonable progression.
There has never been a degree requirement. It has always been optional: Step 1. Meet Minimum Eligibility Requirements Before applying for Portland police jobs, you must first ensure you meet minimum eligibility requirements. All candidates for Portland police jobs, at the time of testing, must possess a high school diploma or GED; they must be at least 21 years old; and they must have at least ONE of the following: A POST certificate accepted by the State or Oregon Department of Public Safety Standards and Training Three years of continuous service as a police officer in another police agency (must have been employed there within the last six months) Two years of active duty or four years of reserve military duty with an honorable discharge Two years of continuous service for an law enforcement (police) agency An associate’s degree or at least 60 semester hours (90 quarter hours) from an accredited college or university Two years of continuous service in any law enforcement agency within the state of Oregon Two years of service as a reserve police officer or police cadet You never have needed a degree. 2-3 years of beating the shit outta black people in is all you need. There's an incentive for ex military and I'm staunchly against it. And no I don't need some link to bring up statistics. It's my belief.
Bro FUCK Kumbaya. My people are being killed by these MFs... IDGAF what they sing, we need police accountability in this country and we've NEVER had it. This shit has been PLANNED bro... And the fact that you still shill for these police lets me know you know nothing about it. You really wanna be an informed Ally? Read up. I'm serious J... Buy this book and understand what's STILL being done to us today... 3.99 for self knowledge is a low price for an amazing gift. Read up on this: In 1850, a publication provided guidance to slave owners on how to produce the “ideal slave”: Maintain strict discipline and “unconditional submission”; Create a sense of personal inferiority, so slaves “know their place”; Instill fear in the minds of slaves; Teach the servants to take interest in the master’s enterprise; and Ensure that the slave is uneducated, helpless, and dependent by depriving them of access to education and recreation
They're doing the exact job they were sanctioned to do. It's working AS designed man... Maintain strict discipline and “unconditional submission”; Create a sense of personal inferiority, so slaves “know their place”; Instill fear in the minds of slaves; Teach the servants to take interest in the master’s enterprise; and Ensure that the slave is uneducated, helpless, and dependent by depriving them of access to education and recreation
Just fucking stop.... the "so are mine" bullshit is a support of the white supremacy. I don't need to go into the numbers to let you know what's happening to black people all over the country. White mass shooters are being taken in ALIVE.... Wake up.
Ok, sorry for the knee jerk response. I read this too fast and misinterpreted the inflection. You're right.
That's not why I support paying police. Most Americans would agree. Let's not start pissing on eachother over semantics.
It' not semantics. Their first job was Slave Patrol. They've never stopped being the slave patrol. This is my point. They still employ the same tactics as the Willie Lynch book. The police force is working as it was designed.
Fuck your divisive bullshit. These are my people. https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter...-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-law-enforcement- https://www.opb.org/article/2021/06...alled-911-himself-seeking-mental-health-care/ https://khn.org/news/police-killing-mental-illness-emergency-crisis-care-pennsylvania/
