Okay stop. I drive and isee what i see more people are speeding on the roads. im sorry but ill draw the line at you telling me what im not seeing on the roads. if you want to have a discussion fine. But just stop with trying to tell me what i see on the roads. Or what im not seeing.
You aren't paying attention to what I'm saying. I'm saying if you want to get better police you have to give better people incentive to be there. Paying police for what many do now is criminal. Not only should they not be paid to do that, they should be severely punished. I'm saying if that trade off means we have to pay good police more, that's an acceptable tradeoff for me. I have no problem with paying good people who do a good job well.
I just had a whole post explaining how I completely understand that you get what you pay for. The bolded statement is fallacy. We literally pay police to oppress black people so no, they make too much and we're not getting ANY ROI. Police should do MUCH LESS. We call them for too many things. They should NEVER go out to a mental illness situation. They should never be called because your neighbor is being too loud. They should never be called because you saw an unhoused person urinating on the street. There are so many other instances when police are not necessary. But no, Karen and Ken are weaponizing their whiteness and are using 911 as their goddamn customer service line.
But you're acting like I'm not on the roads too... And the police have NOT been defunded. Their presence is bigger than it's ever been. And if you are seeing more people speeding, it isn't for lack of a police prescience.
Which is exactly why I said I'd cut the number of police. But we do need police. And we do need them to have incredibly valuable skills. You'll have to pay those people very well. No two ways about it.
You and I disagree on what Pay very well means. 100K is paid VERY well. You make more than 85% of Americans.
Okay, I'll give you that. But we don't start with them making average. You're not going to get better results by cutting their pay. They are paid as much as they are because they are encouraged to treat citizens as cattle (quotas and overtime). But what if they were actually encouraged to solve problems and were paid bonuses based on actually solving those problems? Then the best police would be doing the most good and by doing so would be making the most money. Maybe you do a statistical analysis of what changes need to happen (or annual goals) and review the individual officers actions and how they meet those goals. The whole system needs to change.
If it were up to me, we'd dissolve the entire department and start new. The entire system is racist as fuck.
Again, deployment doesn't mean anything. Guys get deployed and don't see a minute of combat. You're narrowing your view of the military into just people who see active combat, while there are tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of troops who perform critical jobs but don't see anything remotely like what you're thinking. A cook on an aircraft carrier would be deployed to the Gulf, a supply clerk who is stationed on an airbase, or hell.... military police. I know a couple dudes who were MPs. One of them is the goofiest and weirdest guys you'll ever meet. He was deployed to Serbia during that whole mess. If you saw this oddball out in the real world you would never in a million years think "cop."
That's fine with me. I agree. But you're still going to have to compete with other cities and states. Which means you'll have to offer competitive pay for similar skilled candidates. If we're going to hire more qualified more professional candidates we're going to have to offer better compensation than the competition.
You know I have 2 cousins that did 8 combat tours between them right? Stop acting like you don't know WTF I'm talking about. People who have seen combat. Here you go parsing shit like you always do. Warriors are not what our police should be and you have a skewed view on this. Bottom line, policing and being in the military are 2 different things. Stop acting like they make good cops because they don't.
No we wouldn't. I would require police officers to reside in the county in which they work. A full 86% of PPD don't live in the area. Now that is UTTER bullshit. When you have no ties to the area, you aren't gonna give a fuck what you do to it's citizenry. The people that police us live in the offshoot areas where their racism can fester.
I completely agree that Portland Police should live in Portland. That will require an increase in pay to maintain a similar quality of life as police in neighboring cities and states. What you're describing is how you get the least qualified police force, not the best.
I disagree completely. And I'm unsure of why you feel you have the foremost knowledge on this. We are in uncharted territory. We're attempting something that has never been done, police accountability. We're attempting to paint a color we've never seen before with an unfamiliar brush. Right now, you're saying what you believe but you don't know it to be true.
That's how every profession works. Can you please show me one example of lowering pay resulting in higher quality employees and service?
If you're advocating that we tell the people who live in Battleground, Oregon City, Canby etc to move INTO town, we disagree. Also, I completely disbelieve that we can't create a team to keep us safe here. All we know is crime and punishment. That system has failed miserably for people of color, black folks specifically. I believe we need to reimagine safety WITHOUT police. Try it...
