Accountability

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  1. tester551

    tester551 Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, not accounting for the tax implications is a bit disingenuous. Like it or not, every transaction needs to be viewed through the larger lens of the Team Salary. Wiz clearly stated that the trade cost Portland $2.3m. He's correct here.

    Agreed.
     
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    A Little of both. I mean the taxes would have been there no matter who we got that had any more salary than Turner right? The point was when the trade was made, the salaries were 663000 apart. not even a mill. How do we know that Baze was supposed to be turned into another trade by now or soon, but our lack of depth has now forced us into keeping him longer? There are many things we don't know when this years team was put together as to what the long term process would be for some of the recent acquisitions.
     
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    Only if he remains with the team the whole season though right? And how do we know if that was the plan?
     
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    It was my nod to the presidential candidate who came to Beaverton and said he had been to all 57 states. :bgrin:
     
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  5. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I don't think you understand how the luxury tax works. Just re-read what Wiz posted.
     
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    BlayZa Misbehaving responsibly

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    its a shitty season with injuries.
    we've been lucky af to get melo
    dame and cj combo seems to be less epic - mostly due to success last year, people take it more seriously and you can almost rely on CJ going iso n fuckin it up pretty often.
    we've asked a lot of the people who have had to fill in, some good, some bad, whiteside has been a godsend really.

    accountability? dunno where it sits for all this. but some of the on court performances have been trash, Stotts still has no plan b.
     
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    oh ill be the first to admit i don't. But i thought tax implications were added at the end of the season. And things can change from now til then?

    ill go back and re read tomorrow am when im at a pc.
     
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  8. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    The team is so bad that the forum has moved past the argumentative stage (some still linger) into the sobering acceptance stage. I mean, I have people here that seem to be questioning things that I thought they'd never question before, so I've moved onto bigger things (mainly the entirety of Blazers Twitter, Blazers Media, etc.)

    I also feel like my activism has changed portions of Blazers radio shows for weeks. What a time to be a Blazers fan!
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Eh, Dame is having the most efficient year of his career and is averaging a career high in assists per game.

    C.J. is scoring at about the same rate and at the same efficiency as last year, and his playmaking and defense have slightly improved IMO.

    So I think you could make the argument this is their best year together yet...
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    He literally stated that it's just his "hunch" and his opinion, so I don't know why you felt this response was proper?
     
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    i noticed some guy quoting one of your trade ideas on fb but couldn't tag you because of my stoopid phone.
     
  12. Stevenson

    Stevenson Old School

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    Not quite right. His hunch is that accountability has changed and gives a lot of supposed reasons for that. But his proof that there was accountability is that Paul Allen had to be sold on trades (duh) and he met with players (duh x 2.) That is not proof of accountability or proof of change. It's just some cockamamie theory based on a few unrelated, tangential facts.

    And we all have those!
     
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    Agree with your constructive criticism of my hunch. Let me expand my thoughts.

    When you see a ship that is dead in the water, taking on water and slowly sinking, while drifting towards more dangerous water, someone needs to take a closer look at that ship.

    Right or wrong, this is what I see.

    There are enough good rowers on board, but none of them are rowing together to make headway. Not enough good rowers to win a race, but enough to make a respectable showing.

    The drillmaster is turning a blind eye to his rowers, letting each set his own pace. He is not helping them to get into a rowing rhythm. The drum he uses to set the rhythm is damaged or not on board.

    On the last trip to port, the quartermaster replaced some of the plugs to stop the leaking. One works well but the others appear to be a poor fit. Plus none of his new supplies put the ship into better shape for the next season.


    On the bright side. This ship can be saved. We will know the ship is passed saving when the crew drops lifeboats and head for another ship.

    However, this ship is overdue for a thorough inspection that will figure out what it will take to make this ship right again, before it is to late to save it.
     
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    With my super investigative skills, I see I indeed DID start this 32 team falacy. I tricked @TBpup into following me ( Yes, No, Yes, No, No, Yes, No, Yes...) and then I got @tester551 to blame pup for it. HAHAHA

    My skills are at a peak!!!
     
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    im sorry to have let you down! Trust me. Its bot good to trust me. ;)
     
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    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    I just want to take a second to thank you for this post @e_blazer! It was very well thought out and articulate and really puts things in a nice perspective. Even if I don't agree with all of it your logic is sound. I also appreciate that you aren't resorting to bashing anyone to get your point across. Well done, man!
     
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    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

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    You can account for injuries when you know about them heading into the season, like with Whiteside replacing Nurk. In order to contend this year though we really couldn't afford an injury to either Dame or one of the starting bigs (at least not until Nurk got back). Under normal circumstances losing Zach isn't season altering but this isn't a normal season. There is a month left to fix the issues moving forward.
     
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    Stretching Nicholson was pretty much the only way to avoid being in the luxury tax that season. There probably could have been other moves but this year's tax bill would be higher because of it. It's not ideal and I hated it too but it probably had to be done. Because of it though we also lost Vonleh that season.
     
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    I agree that every GM's goal is to win a title. Even the tanking teams are doing so to eventually be good. I don't think anyone lied here, I think the whole organization (Jody, Olshey, Stotts, and the players) truly thought they would be really good this year.
     
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