OT Active Shooters in Vegas

I agree 100% that no amount of laws will prevent shitty people from doing shitty things.

I disagree with the idea that enhanced regulation will not help - and traffic deaths is an excellent subject to prove it - if you look at the US's amounts of road-deaths per miles driven - they have been continuously dropping - and the main reason for this is regulation. Since the DMV in some form has been around for-ever, the regulation changes are on the car manufacturers - but since these regulations are country-wide - there is just no easy way to buy new cars in the US that do not adhere to these regulations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans...dia/File:USA_annual_VMT_vs_deaths_per_VMT.png

 

Was this guy on drugs? The problem I see with limiting rights based on that type of issue is that people just won't get treatment. They'll be afraid of having their rights taken away, so they won't talk to anyone.

 

But that's a different kind of fix. You're talking about people dying from accidents. Adding new technology to make cars safer to drive. Cars are not designed specifically to kill people. They're meant for transportation, so it's easier to fix problems. People are being thrown from cars? Add seatbelts. People are dying from impact? Add airbags. Etc etc etc.

Guns are designed to hurt/kill. That's what they're made for. So it's not a design flaw. It's a user flaw. When you start looking at user flaws with cars, things like speeding or drunk driving, it's a much more difficult resolution. We try to pass laws. We try to hand out harsh punishments. Hell, we tried prohibition. The best way to deal with alcoholics is address the underlying issue, which is alcoholism. We don't blame the cars.

So what is the underlying issue with gun violence?

 

This would require a number of things to make it possible.

#1 You'd have to pass universal background checks on all firearm sales in America - whether they're a private seller or from a shop.

#2 You'd have to have a national registry (which will never happen) because you have no idea where the guns are, when they were last sold, etc. If I bought a gun years ago and sold it to a buddy, we could say it happened before the law was passed to avoid the background check.

#3 who tracks the number of guns you have purchased? The ATF? The state?

#4 okay, you are now suspicious of a dude who bought 33 guns.... what now? Do you track him? Put a team on him? Is it the FBI? The ATF? How long do you follow someone until you call it off?

 

The whole point is that regulation has helped reduce a problem - and dismissing regulation as a non-starter is just stupid. There must be some kind of regulation that will help - but it can not be on a city by city or state by state level, it must be federal.

There was a large cry how Chicago's tougher gun laws did not help - but when you look at police data - Chicago gets a lot of it's guns from Indiana - where this tough regulation does not exist - where a federal law would have likely helped.

I would suspect that it is that too many unqualified people have easy access to guns.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...gas-gunman-began-shooting-police-say.amp.html

Mandalay Bay security guard was shot six minutes before Las Vegas gunman began shooting, police say

 

Maybe people will be willing to buy guns with automatic shot suppressor if they came with leather and AC?

 

Alexa, run over that crowd of people!

 

GREAT Post.

 

Questions for those of you who think banning all firearms would help gun violence:

What percentage of gun crime criminals obtained the gun used, legally?

If you ban guns and force citizens to turn them over, do you actually expect the criminals to turn theirs in as well?

After answering questions one, and more importantly, two, Please answer this third question:

Are you actively trying to disarm the good people and only arm the bad people?????????????????

 

Well it goes to the original intent Madison had in offering the 2nd amendment. The right to bare arm in defense of your person and rights comes from Natural
law. I know Madison referred to it often as the Smithsonian has his copy of the Law of Nations on display. Madison made numerous notes in the margin of this book. Of course the final product (the amendment) got modified as you see it today in order to please his colleges. The right still survives even though the purpose is submerged.

It seems like pure logic too, every person has a the natural right to defend himself and those he protects. No logical right to possess the means to mount a successful offense against others.

 

Where have you been dude? An orgasm gun has already been created.