Charlotte doesn't dump any long-term salary here, which is the only reason they probably wouldn't do it:
As far as centers go, Gobert and Nurk hover around the top 5 while Whiteside hovers somewhere around the top 15. He’s been a good band aid who’s had even more responsibility put on his shoulders after the Collins injury and Gasol setback. He doesn’t deserve to be criticized as much as he has by some. Doesn’t mean I’m against trading him though, but that has more to do with the roster/future than him as a player.
His stats say he's better than he is, which is the point I've been saying. I don't think I've seen a bigger discrepancy between stats and impact as much for any Blazer before him in recent history (maybe ZBo?) #1 in blocks per game, #2 in blocks % #3 in Rebounds per game, 4th in rebound rate # 10 among all players in PER, #3 among centers #3 in estimated wins added among centers # 17 in defensive BPM overall etc, etc We need to have a better record if all this is real. We also wouldn't be hellbent on trading him in every cooked up idea.
Portland is 0-4 in games without Whiteside this season. But yeah, definitely no agenda here. He’s the issue. Addition by subtraction.
that's so misleading though, comparing Whiteside and Meyers on defense thru just DRPM. Meyers plays a limited supporting role on a starting unit that has Butler and Abedayo, two players that are much better at defense than anybody Whiteside plays with. Furthermore, look at RPM wins where Whiteside has 1.76 vs Meyers at 0.70 and Whiteside plays for a team that only has 20 wins while Meyers plays for a team with 32 wins. That will skew the numbers toward Meyers, yet Hassan has 2 1/2 times more RPM wins (and a 3.7 times better RPM) instead of using one single debatable stat in an arguably misleading fashion, how using about many to get a better, more complete picture of actual impact: PER: Meyers 11.2....Whiteside 24.7 TS: Meyers .644....Whiteside .631 FT rate: Meyers .117....Whiteside .339 off reb rate: Meyers 3.3%....Whiteside 13.8% def reb rate: Meyers 22.8%....Whiteside 33.0% reb rate: Meyers 13.6%....Whiteside 23.5% block rate: Meyers 1.5%....Whiteside 8.3% winshares/48: Meyers .112....Whiteside .201 (it's significant that Whiteside has this big an advantage being on a team with 12 less wins) def box plus/minus: Meyers 0.4....Whiteside 3.0 box plus/minus: Meyers -0.6....Whiteside +2.8 value over replacement: Meyers 0.3....Whiteside 1.6 wins over replacement: Meyers 0.81....Whiteside 4.32 slam dunk for Whiteside. * going back to that DRPM comparison, there's are some conflictin stats that kind of put the 'lie' to that DRPM comparison. Whiteside has a defensive box plus/minus 7.5 times better than Meyers. Also, Meyers has a defensive rating 0.5 points worse than his team's rating. Meanwhile, Whiteside's defensive rating is a pretty amazing 8.6 points better than his team's rating * Meyers is not 1st or 2nd on his team in any major advanced stat (unless it's TS% by eliminating Silva). Meanwhile, Whiteside is 1st or 2nd on his team in: PER, TS%, FT rate, all three rebounding categories, block rate, all three winshare categories, winshares/48, defensive box plus & box plus/minus, value over replacement and value over replacement wins. replace Whiteside with Meyers with everything else being the same and Portland would probably have 10 wins, at best, instead of 20
It's not as ridiculous an opinion as you're suggesting. Just wait til we trade him and see. Think I've watched enough basketball to see how some of these guys work together as a whole on a team to look past the stats.
Yeah, you look past the stats when it doesn’t fit the narrative you’ve been so desperate to confirm literally since day one. You have no problem throwing out stats elsewhere. Funny how that works.
This isn't totally binary. This is perfect example where stats lie-- there are obviously other situations when they reveal more than does an eye test. When you aggregate all of Hassan's numbers, he should be a definitive all star and an undisputed top 5 C in the game. Do you think he is? Also, here's Dame's agent as you have pointed out earlier: I know I'm not alone in thinking this. Here's Dame: https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/11...rd-hassan-whiteside-relationship-impact-stats
But they don’t really say that. For example, his RPM ranks him outside the top ten, but inside the top 20. I’d agree with that.
That stat is literally the ONLY one where he ranks out of the top 10 among Centers. Maybe I need to pay more attention to this one.
when was the last time Portland had an all-star C? IIRC it was nearly 30 years ago with Duckworth. I think maybe twice in over 40 years, since Walton, has Portland had an all-star C. Does that mean that 40 years of Blazer C's have had hollow stats? the moving goalposts you're using aren't very logical for instance: who in this thread is claiming Whiteside is a top-5, all-star level C?
Oh and let’s be real, Lillard is an awful lob passer, that’s not all on whiteside. Of course his personal manager won’t mention it. And that shit was written in November, they’ve gotten a lot better since.
This is really a strawman. Nurk has inferior stats to Whiteside across the board. But we can almost unanimously agree that he is a better player, no? What goal posts are moving? One player's stats impact winning, the other's don't.
