I don't see how Chad is overrated, I mean he took his team deep into the playoffs and was a missed Feild Goal away from playing the Pats in the Title game. And all of this he has a week arm bull crap, Week one against the Bengals I remember him throwing a 50+ yarder like it was nothing, his arm is nothing like Favre's or Vick's but he can launch the ball if he wants to.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>Pennington is overrated. His armstrength is suspect, especially now. All I've got to say is you all just might be surprised with Losman - I'm sure he must have shown us something to make Mike Mularkey and Sam Wyche jump all over him the way they did.</div> Billick jumped all over boller too...look how he's playing....they gave us their first round pick the draft 2 years ago for him....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FLORIDA PACKER)</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see how Chad is overrated, I mean he took his team deep into the playoffs and was a missed Feild Goal away from playing the Pats in the Title game. And all of this he has a week arm bull crap, Week one against the Bengals I remember him throwing a 50+ yarder like it was nothing, his arm is nothing like Favre's or Vick's but he can launch the ball if he wants to.</div> thank you plus in 2002 his first year before his injuries he had an amazing year
Ok, let's just put it this way - name someone (or two people for that matter - make that three) who is (are) more qualified to make a decision on which quarterback is worth jumping all over in the draft then Sam Wyche (coached Montana in SF, Esiason to a superbowl against SF), Mike Mularkey, and Tom Clements (our offensive coordinator) who made Kordell Stewart an MVP candidate, and put up 2 1,000 yard recievers in Pittsburgh. Losman has stayed in Buffalo pretty much all offseason with Sam Wyche - this kid is committed to succeeding - if he fails it won't be for a lack of effort or desire to be great. Not to mention he'll also have training camp and preseason to get through some growing pains - I think we'll be giving him a little extra time in preseason to get him more game-ready (maybe the first half of each preseason game).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>I sincerely believe you guys are selling him short.</div> No your expectations are way to high...thats all...He will struggle PEROID. Thats why you saying 12-4 was one of the funnier things I have heard....but hey losman is going to be unbelievable this year...he's gonna be running circles around people to make plays...or just running in circles..lol.
Well, you can't deny that the kid's got the coaching pedigree surrounding him to contribute to him being great.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, let's just put it this way - name someone (or two people for that matter - make that three) who is (are) more qualified to make a decision on which quarterback is worth jumping all over in the draft then Sam Wyche (coached Montana in SF, Esiason to a superbowl against SF), Mike Mularkey, and Tom Clements (our offensive coordinator) who made Kordell Stewart an MVP candidate, and put up 2 1,000 yard recievers in Pittsburgh. Losman has stayed in Buffalo pretty much all offseason with Sam Wyche - this kid is committed to succeeding - if he fails it won't be for a lack of effort or desire to be great. Not to mention he'll also have training camp and preseason to get through some growing pains - I think we'll be giving him a little extra time in preseason to get him more game-ready (maybe the first half of each preseason game).</div> No one is saying Losman is going to fail as a QB. The fact is he hasn't got much PT as a rookie and now in his 2nd season is going to be the Bills guy. Which is ok but every 1st year starter especailly at QB goes through growing pains with the exception of Big Ben. Losman is going to throw his picks believe it or not and is going to struggle during the year as he gets used to being a starter. Give him a year as a starter and then next year you can talk up your 12-4 season. He hasn't played in a game much since college. College and the NFL are a lot different. NFL is a 100 times faster and more physical than college. Which is why players struggle and even though Losman has played 1 year as a backup he is going to have to adjust to the game speed and physical nature called the NFL.
Losman coming out his Junior Year isnt really ready yet to be good yet. With the patriots and Jets at the top of the divison they bills have no chance of winning it this year
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats37)</div><div class='quotemain'>but hey losman is going to be unbelievable this year...he's gonna be running circles around people to make plays...or just running in circles..lol.</div> Is that before or after the wagons carve out a path? Circling the wagons. Get it?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>every 1st year starter especailly at QB goes through growing pains with the exception of Big Ben.</div> Don't forget Dan Marino. He had an okay rookie year if memory serves me correctly.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kcgsc)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>every 1st year starter especailly at QB goes through growing pains with the exception of Big Ben.</div> Don't forget Dan Marino. He had an okay rookie year if memory serves me correctly.</div> 2 out of how many rookie QB's there have been so far.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pats37)</div><div class='quotemain'> but hey losman is going to be unbelievable this year...he's gonna be running circles around people to make plays...or just running in circles..lol.</div> Is that before or after the wagons carve out a path? Circling the wagons. Get it?</div> OK Berman...."Nobody circles the wagons like the bills" lol
alright - clearly neither side's opinions will budge and I'm tired of beating the same drum into the ground. My opinion will not change - and neither will your guys'. Did Montana have a great rookie year? Esiason? Losman is not a rookie, technically. BTW - Losman more or less majored in Football at Tulane. He's a big reason that they still have a football program.
1st year starters aren't going to come in and throw 20+ TD's and 3000+ yards especially since they will throw some INT"s as well. You keep bringing up College when Losman is in the NFL which is a whole new league. There is a big adjustment which he will begin to make starting week 1. If it was so easy for everyone to adjust to the NFL from college than their would be no such thing as a BUST. 1st year QB's always struggle and Losman will be no different.
I'm just trying to make the point that the kid is passionate about football. He's been pretty much roommates with Sam Wyche (our qb coach - the guy who could be credited with making Montana and Esiason) this offseason. He will be as prepared as possible - minus the onfield experience against starters.
Losman has alot of talent and potential but he like most QBs do will struggle, Carson Palmer struggled the first half of the season and came on strong in the second half before going down with a knee injury, Losman's season may end up being something like Carson's. The Bills don't have as much offensive talent as the Bengals but their defense is great and having such a good defense will definatley help J.P out big time, however his O-line is gonna have to step up. the Bills have one of the poorest Offensive lines in the NFl and if Losman is gonna have any chance of a Marino or Roethlisberger season then the big men up front are gonna have to step it up.
Losman is gonna struggle a lot and that is a fact. Bills will not go to the playoffs untill Losmans 2nd or 3rd year as a starter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm just trying to make the point that the kid is passionate about football. He's been pretty much roommates with Sam Wyche (our qb coach - the guy who could be credited with making Montana and Esiason) this offseason. He will be as prepared as possible - minus the onfield experience against starters.</div> I think there are a lot of players who are passinate about the game. If so why would they play it. Yes the Bills are training hard but they aren't the only team getting better especially in that divsion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FLORIDA PACKER)</div><div class='quotemain'>Losman has alot of talent and potential but he like most QBs do will struggle, Carson Palmer struggled the first half of the season and came on strong in the second half before going down with a knee injury, Losman's season may end up being something like Carson's. The Bills don't have as much offensive talent as the Bengals but their defense is great and having such a good defense will definatley help J.P out big time, however his O-line is gonna have to step up. the Bills have one of the poorest Offensive lines in the NFl and if Losman is gonna have any chance of a Marino or Roethlisberger season then the big men up front are gonna have to step it up.</div> We don't have as much offensive talent as the Bengals? I'd take the combo of Moulds and Evans (who will put up even better numbers this year - regardless of an inexperienced qb tossing him the ball or not) over Houshmendzadeh and Chad Johnson (who by the way only caught one pass for 10 yards when we played the Bungles - Nate Clements all but shut him down), and McGahee over Rudi Johnson any day of the week (and twice on sunday). Their OL may have been better last season, but ours seems to be different every year (plus it will help that we don't have Bledsoe anymore who almost always holds onto the ball too long and either gets sacked or stripped), and Mike Williams really did come on strong the last half of last season - We are also the one team that could still land Ross Verba which would really help out the left side of our line and give JP even more time to pass or find a lane to scramble.
