I have no problem with the list. Remember this for the regular season and not the playoffs. Billups deserves to be 1st team just for guiding his team to the best record. I have no problem with that choice at all. Carmelo is solid, but I might be convinced that Pierce deserves his spot if the Celtics had a better record. If Nash isn't in the 1st team, then the MVP trophy means nothing. Shaquille should always be a first teamer unless he loses a leg, and even then it would be hard to convince me otherwise. I love KG, but he hasn't elevated his team enough to deserve consideration.
I don't like these lists. I mean Billups is good...but he isn't better than Iverson or Arenas. Are these team choices related to the record of the players individual team? I guess they are, because last year Ray Allen made the 2nd or 3rd (i cant remember), and this year he has the best year of his career and he doesn't make it... Edit: I'll hate on Nash and Duncan too...Duncan has had better years. Nash....i still dont see why he got the MVP so I have no comment on that....
I just noticed that Shaq only beat Ben Wallace by one vote. If you click on the link you'll see that plenty of players who aren't that great got votes. They should stop letting people waste their votes on guys like Chris Kaman, and Antawn Jamison. Either that or start releasing the lists of who each individual voted for. That way they'll be forced to explain themselves for choosing the likes of Marcus Camby.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dunkzilla20:</div><div class="quote_post">As much as i hate Vince (as many Raptors fans do), i think he has had a very good season and should at least be on the thrid team. Instead of Melo'.</div> neither melo or vince should be there...pierce or garnett should be on there instead of either of them imo
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jurassic:</div><div class="quote_post">If people are going to hate on Billups for being too high then hate on Nash and Tim Duncan as well.</div> Why hate on Nash? You wouldn't put the MVP on the 1st team?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting monty001:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't like these lists. I mean Billups is good...but he isn't better than Iverson or Arenas. Are these team choices related to the record of the players individual team? I guess they are, because last year Ray Allen made the 2nd or 3rd (i cant remember), and this year he has the best year of his career and he doesn't make it... Edit: I'll hate on Nash and Duncan too...Duncan has had better years. Nash....i still dont see why he got the MVP so I have no comment on that....</div> By numbers, yes? But leadership wise no way, and that should be rewarded
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">how does Dwight get 11 votes and Chris Bosh only get 1?</div> Dwight is far more deserving than Bosh of votes, in my eyes. <u>Dwight Howard per 40 Stats</u> 17.2 PPG, 13.6 RPG, 1.5 BPG, 53% eFG%, and 58% TS% <u>Chris Bosh per 40 Stats</u> 22.9 PPG, 9.4 RPG, 1.2 BPG, .51% eFG%, and 57% TS% Now let's compare 2nd year stats (that is what Dwight Howard just finished): <u>Dwight Howard 2nd Year Stats</u> 15.8 PPG, 12.5 RPG, 1.40 BPG, and 53% FG <u>Chris Bosh 2nd Year Stats</u> 16.8 PPG, 8.9 RPG, 1.40 BPG, and 47% FG Based upon Dwight's stats this year and his minutes per game (36.8) if you averaged that out over 40 minutes a game, he'd give you roughly 17 and 14 a game. 17 and 14. That's f'n ridiculous! That's a player you want to build your team around, I'm not saying Bosh is horrible because he's a better scorer than Howard. But when it comes to being a big man, Howard is easily better. He can score, is a monster rebounder, alters a lot of shots, and plays great defense. In their second year, Bosh only averaged 1 more PPG than Howard, averaged 3.6 less rebounds than him, the same amount of blocks, and shot the ball 6% worse than Howard. Bosh also has college experience, something Dwight doesn't have. If I were building my team, I'd pick Howard. He's a solid piece, reminds me of Duncan, that can win you championships if you put the right pieces around him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">Dwight is far more deserving than Bosh of votes, in my eyes. <u>Dwight Howard per 40 Stats</u> 17.2 PPG, 13.6 RPG, 1.5 BPG, 53% eFG%, and 58% TS% <u>Chris Bosh per 40 Stats</u> 22.9 PPG, 9.4 RPG, 1.2 BPG, .51% eFG%, and 57% TS% Now let's compare 2nd year stats (that is what Dwight Howard just finished): <u>Dwight Howard 2nd Year Stats</u> 15.8 PPG, 12.5 RPG, 1.40 BPG, and 53% FG <u>Chris Bosh 2nd Year Stats</u> 16.8 PPG, 8.9 RPG, 1.40 BPG, and 47% FG Based upon Dwight's stats this year and his minutes per game (36.8) if you averaged that out over 40 minutes a game, he'd give you roughly 17 and 14 a game. 17 and 14. That's f'n ridiculous! That's a player you want to build your team around, I'm not saying Bosh is horrible because he's a better scorer than Howard. But when it comes to being a big man, Howard is easily better. He can score, is a monster rebounder, alters a lot of shots, and plays great defense. In their second year, Bosh only averaged 1 more PPG than Howard, averaged 3.6 less rebounds than him, the same amount of blocks, and shot the ball 6% worse than Howard. Bosh also has college experience, something Dwight doesn't have. If I were building my team, I'd pick Howard. He's a solid piece, reminds me of Duncan, that can win you championships if you put the right pieces around him.</div> I'm probably the biggest Dwight fan around, but no way he should have gotten more votes than Chris Bosh this year. Bosh had a better season than Dwight did, IMO. He had an extremely underrated season, since he's on such a bad team. After saying that, I agree with you the rest of the way, it's amazing what he is doing at his age and he's the typical big, he does the dirty work, which most people at star level or approaching star level don't do without any problems. If I had to choose between Bosh and Dwight to build my team around, I would choose Dwight, he's 2 years younger than him, is a much better rebounder and defender already than Bosh is. His offensive game is still extremely raw, but he WILL improve that. Bosh is a much better scorer right now. btw in your stats if you are doing it by age, it would be Dwight's 2nd season and Bosh's rookie year that you would compare. Dwight and Bosh will be a damn good frontcourt in all-star games for the East especially with Wade and Lebron. East is gonna be unstoppable in a couple of years. So in conclusion, Bosh had the better season this year, but I'd build my team around Dwight.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm probably the biggest Dwight fan around, but no way he should have gotten more votes than Chris Bosh this year. Bosh had a better season than Dwight did, IMO. He had an extremely underrated season, since he's on such a bad team. After saying that, I agree with you the rest of the way, it's amazing what he is doing at his age and he's the typical big, he does the dirty work, which most people at star level or approaching star level don't do without any problems. If I had to choose between Bosh and Dwight to build my team around, I would choose Dwight, he's 2 years younger than him, is a much better rebounder and defender already than Bosh is. His offensive game is still extremely raw, but he WILL improve that. Bosh is a much better scorer right now. Dwight and Bosh will be a damn good frontcourt in all-star games for the East especially with Wade and Lebron. East is gonna be unstoppable in a couple of years. So in conclusion, Bosh had the better season this year, but I'd build my team around Dwight.</div> Just because Bosh scored more doesn't make him better. In a big man, I look for things big men are supposed to do. Rebound, score, block, defend, alter shots, and control the paint. Dwight can do all of that, despite his raw offensive game he still put up 15. Next year, he should be putting up 22 and 13.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">Just because Bosh scored more doesn't make him better. In a big man, I look for things big men are supposed to do. Rebound, score, block, defend, alter shots, and control the paint. Dwight can do all of that, despite his raw offensive game he still put up 15. Next year, he should be putting up 22 and 13.</div> Bosh was highly efficient in his shooting while shooting a lot more. Just because Dwight rebounded better than Bosh doesn't make him the better player. Dwight had more blocks because the Magic had better perimeter defense than the Raps did, which takes pressure off of Dwight. Dwight's defense was a little decieving, he got a fair share of blocks, but he gave up huge games from the guy that he was defending. Bosh did more for his team than Dwight did for his, IMO. Like I said, he is going to be an annual all-star and probably make this list annually, he just didn't deserve more votes than Bosh this year, IMO. I'm not disagreeing with you, I definetely would rather have Dwight on my team than Bosh, but that's not what All-NBA 1st team is, IMO. It's to say who had the best season. btw, Wow I can't believe I'm arguing against Dwight.
What does Kidd have to do? No Kidd alright!... Kidd led the NBA in triple doubles, took the Nets to the playoffs, a team that has no legitimate big man (except maybe for Krstic). Playing the way he did considering he came out from a surgery that Amari Stoudamire also had but couldn't comeback and play, but Kidd did it... and at 33! He makes his teammates look good, he scores when needed, rebounds, passes one of the top in steals... What more do you want?!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nocomment:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know about these I mean ....... Shaq didn't have a good season all around and neather did Yao only the last few games if you ask me. I'm really missing Piece who was amazing this season, Carter who took the Nets to the playoffs and i don't know about A.I Imean he was the secoud scorer and over 30 and 6, but they cant make teams everyone would agree on. MY teams would look like this: First: -Allen Iverson -Kobe Bryant -LeBron James -Dirk Nowitzki -Ben Wallace Secound: -Steve Nash??? -Paul Pierce -Carmelo Anthony -Tim Duncan -Yao Ming Third: -Chauncey Billups -Vince Carter -Shawn Marion -Elton Brand -Shaquille O'Neal</div>Iverson is a ballhog, you can't but him above of Steve Nash. Nash is the real PG and he's the MVP, I'd rather put Billups above him than AI.:S
Who ever made these teams deserves to die. Pierce had the best season of his NBA career, led his team in points, rebounds, and assists. I thought with the things he did this season, he would be a lock, then I see Melo and Marion taking his forward spot. Didn't Pierce score like over 30 points like 14 games in a row....The Nba has to respect that, its crap that he got ef'd over like this. If someone with a more famous name would have done what Pierce did this season they woulda been on the team... KG, and VC also were huge snubs..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheTruth5:</div><div class="quote_post">Pierce had the best season of his NBA career, led his team in points, rebounds, and assists. I thought with the things he did this season, he would be a lock, then I see Melo and Marion taking his forward spot.</div> Well in the past there haven't been as many great players on horrible teams, so none of us ever noticed that team records are a part of the criteria. I agree with you about Carmelo, but I think that Marion is as deserving as Pierce, check his %s.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheBlackMamba:</div><div class="quote_post">Just because Bosh scored more doesn't make him better. In a big man, I look for things big men are supposed to do. Rebound, score, block, defend, alter shots, and control the paint. Dwight can do all of that, despite his raw offensive game he still put up 15. Next year, he should be putting up 22 and 13.</div> Ok, let's not go overboard. Dwight will not improve his scoring by 7ppg. His offensive game will take at least a couple more seasons to develop into Bosh's level right now.
