<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Dec 31 2006, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shooting Guard: Larry Hughes Center: Zydrunas IlgauskusI bet a select group of people would rip me to shreds if I mentioned Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, and Jermaine O'neal.</div>I saw both Hughes and Ilgauskas play against the Hawks and I was impressed. Hughes has sick handles, good court vision, he can shoot the ball well. I would say he was underrated, thats just me though.Ilgauskas, seems to be having issues with Mike Brown's new system in Cleveland. He can still hit jumpers, and dominate the post. I just think he's having problems adjusting to the new system..I wouldn't rip you if you said Gasol, and JO were overated. Gasol is a good player, but he is def. overated at times.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Dec 31 2006, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I saw both Hughes and Ilgauskas play against the Hawks and I was impressed. Hughes has sick handles, good court vision, he can shoot the ball well. I would say he was underrated, thats just me though.Ilgauskas, seems to be having issues with Mike Brown's new system in Cleveland. He can still hit jumpers, and dominate the post. I just think he's having problems adjusting to the new system..I wouldn't rip you if you said Gasol, and JO were overated. Gasol is a good player, but he is def. overated at times.</div>That's where you're wrong, my friend. Hughes is SUCH an inconsistent shooter and offensive player. Lebron needs a better sidekick than Larry Hughes. I agree, I think he is overrated.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 31 2006, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's where you're wrong, my friend. Hughes is SUCH an inconsistent shooter and offensive player. Lebron needs a better sidekick than Larry Hughes. I agree, I think he is overrated.</div>Your probobly right, I've seen Hughes play a few times, and from what I saw he looked like a good shooter..LeBron may not need a better sidekick than Hughes, he just may need some better shooters around him. Because Hughes brings alot to the table, but apparently his offense is a liability.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 31 2006, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He led New Orleans into the playoffs one year, didn't he? I remember, that was like the first year I started to watch the NBA.And the Warriors are playoff bound this season too.</div> That Charlotte team had Eddie Jones, Elden Campbell, Derrick Coleman, David Wesley and Anthony Mason...and that was the year they lost Bobby Phills over the summer. Baron didn't have much to do with them making the playoffs his first season. The Warriors are playoff bound? Maybe, their a average team that plays no defense. I could care less about the Warriors and their chances in the playoffs.
Not that year. I'm talking about the year where they had him, Magloire, Wesley and Mashburn. He was a big part of that team. He averaged 22 and 7 that year, and was the leader of the team. They made the playoffs the previous year too where he had a pretty good season. So he is not that much of a loser, really.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 31 2006, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That Charlotte team had Eddie Jones, Elden Campbell, Derrick Coleman, David Wesley and Anthony Mason...and that was the year they lost Bobby Phills over the summer. Baron didn't have much to do with them making the playoffs his first season. The Warriors are playoff bound? Maybe, their a average team that plays no defense. I could care less about the Warriors and their chances in the playoffs.</div>Yes, but they are an excellent offensive team. Not every team that doesn't play good defense is just average.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 31 2006, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not that year. I'm talking about the year where they had him, Magloire, Wesley and Mashburn. He was a big part of that team. He averaged 22 and 7 that year, and was the leader of the team. They made the playoffs the previous year too where he had a pretty good season. So he is not that much of a loser, really.</div> His teams have pretty much never gone anywhere, in the east if you have some talent you can make the playoffs once and a wihle. It's not a big accomplishment at all. The guy is a loser in general, I remember he was out with an injury the week of the Golden State trade, then magicly when he was traded he started playing fine for the Warriors. I remember fans being pissed about it, thats the crap that pisses me off about him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 31 2006, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>His teams have pretty much never gone anywhere, in the east if you have some talent you can make the playoffs once and a wihle. It's not a big accomplishment at all. The guy is a loser in general, I remember he was out with an injury the week of the Golden State trade, then magicly when he was traded he started playing fine for the Warriors. I remember fans being pissed about it, thats the crap that pisses me off about him.</div>Yeah, but you're just saying that because you were proved wrong. And I just checked, and Baron Davis made the playoffs 5 years straight, and the 2nd round twice, so your points about him being a loser, and that he hasnt ever gotten anywhere are not valid at all.
I have to say, alotve people dont like Marbury, but when he was Starbury and not that thing he is now(hes actually playing well lately though), but he is a very talented player. Not overrated.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 31 2006, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but you're just saying that because you were proved wrong. And I just checked, and Baron Davis made the playoffs 5 years straight, and the 2nd round twice, so your points about him being a loser, and that he hasnt ever gotten anywhere are not valid at all.</div> I'm just saying that because I got proven wrong? I just pointed that out because I made reference to him quitting on his team in my original post. I don't think what he's done in the post season is all that impressive, the guy is a bum in my opinion. it's not like he was leading those teams by himself. The guy plays terrible defense, terrible shot selection, shoots terrible percentages, was overweight for years...Not a guy I want on my team at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 31 2006, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your sg and c are ridiculous.Manu is just hated. But he's an excellent player. If you watched him with an open mind you'd realize that he can penatrate, shoot, pass, rebound and defend. He'a solid all around player who contributes enourmously to a title contending team. He's a proven winner. Gold medal at the olympics. Two NBA titles. An underrated player if anything.Ben Wallace is the best defender in the league. He was the anchor of the great Pistons teams. He was the anchor of teamwork, hustle, defense, chemistry, the guy was the backbone of the Piston's success. A self-made man who worked hard and still remains with that attidtude. 4 DPOYS? That alone cements his legacy.Here's the real overrated teamg - mike bibbysg - jason richardson - done nothing this year yet still considered a great playersf - antwan jaminsonpf - rasheed wallacec - brad miller - soft, rebounds inconsistentely, defense is below average, just a shooter, nothing else</div>You are a Pacers homer. J-Rich has been injured this whole year and has had his knee at 70 percent and just broke his hand. He's a shitload better than Stephen Jackson or any shooting guard you have right now.You can debate with out namecalling. - Edited by a mod.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CABANGBANG @ Dec 31 2006, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You are a dumbass Pacers homer. J-Rich has been injured this whole year and has had his knee at 70 percent and just broke his hand. He's a shitload better than Stephen Jackson or any shooting guard you have right now.</div> That about sums it up. :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CABANGBANG @ Dec 31 2006, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You are a dumbass Pacers homer. J-Rich has been injured this whole year and has had his knee at 70 percent and just broke his hand. He's a shitload better than Stephen Jackson or any shooting guard you have right now.</div>Not only that, but does anyone really hear people saying anything good about Richardson in the first place? He's been averaging over 20 ppg for a few seasons and he gets absolutely no praise. All he's known for is his dunking. If anything he's underrated.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Dec 31 2006, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not only that, but does anyone really hear people saying anything good about Richardson in the first place? He's been averaging over 20 ppg for a few seasons and he gets absolutely no praise. All he's known for is his dunking. If anything he's underrated.</div> He's a nice scorer for a pathetic franchise, I don't really care for him. What should he get praise for?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 31 2006, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's a nice scorer for a pathetic franchise, I don't really care for him. What should he get praise for?</div>Uhhh, his Michigan State days, and the fact that he's on my sim team.I wasn't bashing Bosh or Gasol, but I could easily bash Jermaine O'neal for being overrated. He's often injured, and although he is a franchise player, he isn't as good of a defender/rebounder as people rate him. Really on this board, Pacer Fan is the only one that rates him, and Pacer Fan rates JO as an All-NBA Defensive player. He does have a very nice offensive game, and a nice mid range jumper.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Dec 31 2006, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wasn't bashing Bosh or Gasol, but I could easily bash Jermaine O'neal for being overrated. He's often injured, and although he is a franchise player, he isn't as good of a defender/rebounder as people rate him. Really on this board, Pacer Fan is the only one that rates him, and Pacer Fan rates JO as an All-NBA Defensive player. He does have a very nice offensive game, and a nice mid range jumper.</div>ummm...ARE YOU AN IDIOT?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CABANGBANG @ Dec 31 2006, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You are a Pacers homer. J-Rich has been injured this whole year and has had his knee at 70 percent and just broke his hand. He's a shitload better than Stephen Jackson or any shooting guard you have right now.You can debate with out namecalling. - Edited by a mod.</div>Of course j-rich is better than steven jackson. but jason isn't doing squat this year.
I agree, I think Pau is underrated too. He plays for a low-scale team, so he isnt often hyped, and he does it all as a big man. He can shoot, score in the block, defend, rebound, block shots, pass. I like the guy alot...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jan 1 2007, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ARE YOU AN IDIOT?</div>Funny coming from you. NO I AM NOT AN IDIOT! HOW ABOUT YOU? I didn't say anything about Pau. I was just saying that if I mentioned him, I would get ripped to shreds over the internet.
