<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Someone was doing his history homework while on JBB... And no, that's not basically what people are saying. People aren't saying that the Asian votes shouldn't matter as much as the American votes. People are saying that there shouldn't be a voting process period. There's no racial discrimination going on here. And again, nobody has denied that Yao is popular around the world. They just don't think that he deserves the starting Center spot, and he doesn't. Sorry; no conspiracies here either...</div> Your saying the fans who pay money and support the nba should have no say in selecting the all stars they want to see?..wow ok. and also to everyone saying camby is more derserving, which matchup would more people want to see, Yao vs Shaq or Camby vs Shaq, the last time i checked abc wasn't hyping a camby-shaq matchup.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Someone was doing his history homework while on JBB...</div> Nope, just trying to make a comparison. Homework is done at school. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post"> And no, that's not basically what people are saying. People aren't saying that the Asian votes shouldn't matter as much as the American votes. People are saying that there shouldn't be a voting process period. There's no racial discrimination going on here. And again, nobody has denied that Yao is popular around the world. They just don't think that he deserves the starting Center spot, and he doesn't. Sorry; no conspiracies here either...</div> Some people here admit they understand the ALL-STAR Game is a (STAR) popularity contest (STAR), and then say Brand should start because he is more deserving. It doesn't make any sense. If it's a popularity conest the one with the most votes is the one that is most deserving. Am I right?
Who do you think in the West deserves the starting spot over Yao? If Shaq's still in the West or Amare were playing like he did last season, OK. But like I said, as good of a season as Camby's having, Yao's a better overall center... I do not see how anyone can justify Camby's a better center than Yao. Edit: Actually, after doing further research and seeing more numbers, I do believe Camby's deserving of the starting spot over Yao... only argument I can make for Yao is that w/o TMac, he's been the focus of other teams, seems like Camby's having a phenomenol season, there you have it, a Yao fan admits it. But like I said, the all star game is and will probably be a popularity contest for years to come. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Someone was doing his history homework while on JBB... And no, that's not basically what people are saying. People aren't saying that the Asian votes shouldn't matter as much as the American votes. People are saying that there shouldn't be a voting process period. There's no racial discrimination going on here. And again, nobody has denied that Yao is popular around the world. They just don't think that he deserves the starting Center spot, and he doesn't. Sorry; no conspiracies here either...</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Your saying the fans who pay money and support the nba should have no say in selecting the all stars they want to see?..wow ok. </div> No, they shouldn't. I understand the logic behind it, but the All-Star game should be the best players in the East against the best players in the West, not the most popular players in the East against the most popular players in the West. Although, if you disagree with that statement, then the real question here isn't whether or not fans should vote but rather, what is an All-Star game? I'm really not sure what it is anymore. Is it a game of the best players or is it a game of the fan's favorite players? The problem is that there's no clear answer. If its the former, then fans shouldn't be allowed to put players like Yao Ming in the game over players like Marcus Camby and Pau Gasol. If its the latter, then a lot less importance needs to be put on the status that comes with being an All-Star, and number of career All-Star performances shouldn't be taken into consideration when considering players for such honors as the Hall of Fame. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting igotask8board:</div><div class="quote_post">Nope, just trying to make a comparison. Homework is done at school.</div> Isn't that kind of defeating the purpose of homework? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Some people here admit they understand the ALL-STAR Game is a (STAR) popularity contest (STAR), and then say Brand should start because he is more deserving. It doesn't make any sense. If it's a popularity conest the one with the most votes is the one that is most deserving. Am I right?</div> How the hell does that make sense? Just because people acknowledge that it's a game where the fans vote for the starters doesn't mean that they have to agree with it. What don't you understand about that?
I partially agree with your point, but when it comes down to it, I think the All-Star game has evolved to the most popular players instead of the best players (ideally, the most popular players would be the best players, but we don't live in such a world). The whole all star weekend now is basically just a show to entertain the fans, after all, the NBA is entertainment, and you give the fans what they want, even if they don't know any better. But I think there's no right or wrong, basically a matter of different personal opinions. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">No, they shouldn't. I understand the logic behind it, but the All-Star game should be the best players in the East against the best players in the West, not the most popular players in the East against the most popular players in the West. Although, if you disagree with that statement, then the real question here isn't whether or not fans should vote but rather, what is an All-Star game? I'm really not sure what it is anymore. Is it a game of the best players or is it a game of the fan's favorite players? The problem is that there's no clear answer. If its the former, then fans shouldn't be allowed to put players like Yao Ming in the game over players like Marcus Camby and Pau Gasol. If its the latter, then a lot less importance needs to be put on the status that comes with being an All-Star, and number of career All-Star performances shouldn't be taken into consideration when considering players for such honors as the Hall of Fame. Isn't that kind of defeating the purpose of homework? How the hell does that make sense? Just because people acknowledge that it's a game where the fans vote for the starters doesn't mean that they have to agree with it. What don't you understand about that?</div>
Kind of random, but what do you guys think about Zo making the All star team? In my opinion he really deserves it he has playing great, you guys think the coaches will put him on the team? Also Pierce has been having a really great season, his team isn't doing amazing, but he is putting up really really great numbers, hopefully coaches remember to get this guy in.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post"> No, they shouldn't. I understand the logic behind it, but the All-Star game should be the best players in the East against the best players in the West, not the most popular players in the East against the most popular players in the West. Although, if you disagree with that statement, then the real question here isn't whether or not fans should vote but rather, what is an All-Star game? I'm really not sure what it is anymore. Is it a game of the best players or is it a game of the fan's favorite players? The problem is that there's no clear answer. If its the former, then fans shouldn't be allowed to put players like Yao Ming in the game over players like Marcus Camby and Pau Gasol. </div> WHAT PAU OVER YAO!!!! EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE THAN HE WOULD BE LISTED AS A PF, WHICH HE HAS NO CHANCE AT BEATING DUNCAN, KG, AND T-MAC!!!! HAHAHAHAHA. I don't want to see Pau, niether do the people (and they have spoken). #s for this season for: 1)Pau 2)Yao MPG----FG%----FT%----RPG---APG----BPG----PPG 37.7---.465----.650-----9.2 ---3.8 ----2.30--18.5 34.0--.506----.837-----9.0----1.3----1.36 --19.9 Pau is a better shot blocker and gets you more assists(because he plays a F, and centers don't pass out). Yao looks better to me. Yao's numbers are a lot lower than they should be because teams were triple and double teaming him when T-Mac was out. What makes a star (whether it be a football, actor, or singer) a star? THE FANS! It's the All-STAR-Game. More fans = the bigger star you are in this league = the more people want to see you play = the more reason you should start. NBA wants to make money and the people give them there money. Just like someone else said earlier. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post"> If its the latter, then a lot less importance needs to be put on the status that comes with being an All-Star, and number of career All-Star performances shouldn't be taken into consideration when considering players for such honors as the Hall of Fame. </div> The Hall of Fame is simply about....FAME! Gee, I wonder why Dominique Wilkins didn't make it into the Hall of Fame? He had the numbers and everything, but never had the fame. "In 1986 he won the NBA scoring title with an average of 30.3 points per game, and in 1992 he set an NBA record by sinking 23 free throws in a game without a miss. He's the Atlanta Hawks' all-time franchise leader in both scoring and steals" He was a 9 time consecutive all star, and in 1988 he also scored 29 points in 30 minutes of action in the All-Star Game. It looks like the number of career All-Star performances already isn't taken that deeply into consideration. People never talked about him THAT MUCH. He had a lot of great dunks during the Dunk Contest, but that really didn't make hima Hall of Famer now did it? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post"> Isn't that kind of defeating the purpose of homework? </div> If its assigned as and named homework, but I do it at school, what should I call it? Schoolwork? It's homework though. Does that mean I have to waste my off time from school doing more school work? Can I call schoolwork homework if I do it at home? Hope I confused you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting igotask8board:</div><div class="quote_post">WHAT PAU OVER YAO!!!! EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE THAN HE WOULD BE LISTED AS A PF, WHICH HE HAS NO CHANCE AT BEATING DUNCAN, KG, AND T-MAC!!!! HAHAHAHAHA. I don't want to see Pau, niether do the people (and they have spoken). #s for this season for: 1)Pau 2)Yao MPG----FG%----FT%----RPG---APG-----BPG---PPG 37.7---.465----.650-----9.2 ----3.8 ----2.30--18.5 34.0--.506----.837----9.0----1.3----1.36 ---19.9 </div> First of all, please don't post in all caps again. It's almost as annoying as a referrence to the Virginia Plan in a basketball discussion. Second of all, Pau Gasol has played a lot of time at center regarless of what nba.com lists him as. Just look at the following link - http://www.82games.com/0506/0506MEM2.HTM Notice how three of the Grizzlies' top five rotations include Gasol playing center. Lastly, theres not a doubt in my mind that Pau Gasol is a more deserving candidate for the All-Star game than Yao Ming. You can't just look at the statistics and say that Ming is better like you're doing. Memphis is not only a far better team than Houston, but they also don't run a system that allows players like Gasol to put up gaudy numbers. If he played on almost any other team in the NBA, he'd be a 25 ppg, 12 rpg a night kind of player. The Grizzlies don't use him the same way night in and night out though. For example, the Grizzlies really needed him against Dirk in the Dallas game on 11/26. They went to him a lot, really got him involved in the offense, and played him 40 minutes. The result? 36 points, 15 rebounds, and 5 assists. In the next game on 11/30 against Toronto, Gasol only put up 15 points, 10 rebounds, and 4 assists. However, the Grizzlies played him ten minutes less than the Dallas game and didn't really go to him that much, because the Grizzlies were up by ten to twenty points almost the entire game. Then in their next game against Orlando on 12/2, Gasol recorded a season low 9 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 assists. However, much like the Toronto game, the Grizzlies were blowing out the Magic through the entire game. Gasol only played 28 minutes and took two shots. Does that mean he was inconsistent though? No, he abused Dwight Howard when he was in the game. It's just that the Grizzlies didn't need him as much in the Toronto and Orlando games as they did in the Dallas game. On a team that wasn't as well rounded on the Grizzlies where Gasol would be the focal point of the offense night in and night out, there wouldn't be a quesiton about his All-Star status. Let me put it this way; Kevin Garnett averages about 40 mpg. In games where Gasol plays 40 or more minutes, he averages 23.3 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 4.1 apg, and 2.7 bpg. With that said, it looks like it's largely in the hands of Mike Fratello whether or not Gasol ever reaches that All-Star status, but after being snubbed three years in a row, Gasol is very overdue for the recognition. "He will make the All-Star team," (Jerry) West said while discussing Gasol's career-best start. "Unless people are completely blind, he will be an All-Star." <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Hall of Fame is simply about....FAME! Gee, I wonder why Dominique Wilkins didn't make it into the Hall of Fame? He had the numbers and everything, but never had the fame. "In 1986 he won the NBA scoring title with an average of 30.3 points per game, and in 1992 he set an NBA record by sinking 23 free throws in a game without a miss. He's the Atlanta Hawks' all-time franchise leader in both scoring and steals" He was a 9 time consecutive all star, and in 1988 he also scored 29 points in 30 minutes of action in the All-Star Game. It looks like the number of career All-Star performances already isn't taken that deeply into consideration. People never talked about him THAT MUCH. He had a lot of great dunks during the Dunk Contest, but that really didn't make hima Hall of Famer now did it?</div> How old are you? Dominique Wilkins was huge when I was growing up. To say that he wasn't famous is like saying that Vince Carter isn't famous. Either way, you can't just make broad assumptions about the influence of All-Star appearances based on one player not getting into the Hall of Fame. You know just as well as I do that analysts, experts, and just the general fan population use a player's All-Star appearances as a way to measure a player's success. Just look in some of the threads on Ron Artest in this forum. The bottom line is that All-Star game should be about basketball, not celebrity status. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If its assigned as and named homework, but I do it at school, what should I call it? Schoolwork? It's homework though. Does that mean I have to waste my off time from school doing more school work? Can I call schoolwork homework if I do it at home?</div> This is completely off topic, but since we've already strayed this far off the path, I might as well ask; what grade are you in? Are you in college or high school? It seems to me like all through my academic career I never had a consistent opportunity to finish my homework at school. Your teachers sound very generous about the ammount of material they assign.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, I'm amazed at how much Carter's popularity decreased, and how Yao is undeservingly first. If the players were voted by NBA staff, Brand would be one of the most voted.</div> ENTER D-WADE
oh,guys, what does AII-ATAR mean? STAR is the man that fans like to watch. Before YAO landed NBA, what had your guys expected to see? Carter's thundrous windmill dunk, Iverson's dazing steps, Shaq's heavy dunk or else. Oh,wake up mow,two big's rivalry is the best scenery on All-Star game. Frankly, YAO doesn't play well but doesn't achieve people's expectation. But you should know,one guy from absolutely different environment could do what he has done is great. Look at these days' newspapers, all of which highly emphasized YAO's injury and surgery.Then you know, YAO's first-vote getter is very reasonable though so many people in China supporting YAO.
Exactly, players like Carter and AI and Shaq were the leading vote-getters because they are EXCITING to watch (Carter with his crazy dunks, AI's passing and dribbling moves, and Shaq's massive slams and antics). Does Yao bring anything exciting to the ASG? NO! Does he deserve to start in the ASG? NO! He's going to be injured for a large portion of the season, and Camby is clearly having a better year. That being said, Carter probably didn't deserve to start a few of those years, but he started because he was the most exciting player in the league. Yao starts for an entirely different reason...
