I don't understand why Harden wants to go to Houston, other than for sentimental reasons. I feel like he was playing some of his best at Philly, at least in the regular season anyways!
I don't read every post, but it appears the majority of posts I see would prefer to move Ant over Sharpe. Regardless, that doesn't speak to my original point.
I'm not talking about our fans. I'm talking about GMs or other fanbases. I think it seems a little silly to think that Portland fans are over-valuing Sharpe, while other fanbases or front offices seem to want him involved in any trade.
I'm unsure what you're talking about. I see other fanbases talking about Ant as well. I haven't heard other front offices talking about Ant or Sharpe. Would seem odd, if not illegal, for front offices to speak about players under contract with another team. My point continues to be about what posters here feel Sharpe will be and what they are and are not willing to take in return for him. For some, it feels like he's untradable.
Totally fair. My opinion is that saying there is no player in the league you would give up Sharpe for is wildly over-valuing him. Which was my original point.
He isn’t untradeable to me because I would happily deal him for Giannis or Tatum or Jokic etc. but the trade would have to be a sure thing to put us into contention.
I agree with you here. The post you quoted is exactly the type of thinking that has caught me by surprise. Untradable is a wild over-value, in my opinion.
I agree with these. I call him untradable, because these targets are so far from being possible that they may as well not be considered. Yes, I would trade Sharpe for one of these 3 players, but for all intents and purposes, I can call him untradable.
If we trade for a player who has been an all-star, how many future all-star seasons do we get? Two, three, maybe more? If we keep Sharpe and he's an all-star we get every single one of those all-star seasons. Maybe it's 0, or maybe it's 10+. We have no chance at that upside with an established vet. We also get the potentially higher ceiling of 1st team all NBA. Plus we get discounted years in rookie contracts or cheaper extensions. So just saying one is an all-star and the other is a maybe all-star ignores the majority of the benefits.
I think you nitpicking semantics. Some fans say untradable but they mean he shouldn't be traded for any realistic, very favorable, or even many unrealistic offers the team might receive. If Gianni's were offered I bet nearly all fans who say Sharpe is "untradeable" would do it, that just doesn't seem like any way that's a plausible option. It's almost the same as saying would you trade Sharpe for Luka, Jokic, and Tatum. Not even really possible to get that offer. Untradable often effectively means the player should be left out of all trade call to or from other teams, trade proposals, etc. Dame used to be at that level, but probably isn't now. The #3 pick and Ant are not at that level, to many fans Sharpe currently is.
It would be a waste of the last decade working the draft. Kicking the can down the road for a decade is a waste of a decade. It has nothing to do with what they have moving forward. Its all about what they did to get what they have already had, that didn't work. Put it this way. Would you have traded Embiid, Harden and pre mental break down Simmons for sharpe and a #3 pick? I dont thin anyone in their right mind would. So yeah. They wasted a decade if Embiid and harden leave.
No doubt there is risk involved. If Sharpe ends up being real good, he could have 7-8 all-star seasons in front of him. Where as a guy like Embiid almost certainly won't make 7-8 more all-star games to finish out his career. Does that mean you should trade Sharpe to get Embiid? I don't think so. There is also a chance Sharpe turns out to be JR Smith or Gerald Green. There is also a chance that Sharpe demands out after year 6. The unknowns are everywhere.
Even if what you are saying other people are thinking is correct, I still disagree. There are legal trades for Sharpe that Portland would be wild to not consider and probably crazy to not say yes to, immediately. My original stance in all these trade the pick, trade Dame, go all-in, or blow it up threads is that Portland would be foolish to not evaluate all options on the table. Saying Sharpe or Dame is untradable would be doing a disservice. I do feel people here are over-valuing Sharpe, but that doesn't make me right and the those people wrong, or vice versa. I felt the same way when peopel fell in love with Ant's potential last spring.
If Harden leaves we'll have to see what the 6ers get in return. If they can't contend maybe they explore Embiid trades. To come up with a real offer we probably have to send out both Sharpe and Scoot plus something else. Yeah the Dame Embiid duo would be amazing. But I'm horrified we will have Embiids knees finally give out and Scoot Sharpe become 10x All-stars elsewhere.
Would we have enough to trade for Embiid without trading Scoot or Sharpe? I’d argue with Schmitz’s ability to find talent late, it makes it easier to get a more enticing package together. Let’s say Grant is still here for $30m a year, and Ant is traded for Cam Johnson or Draymond—how competitive would a package of either Grant or Draymond (or Cam) + any of Kris, Rupert, Watford, Walker + Nurk’s salary + unprotected 1sts in 24, 26, 28 + 2 pick swaps be? But yeah I’m not interested in giving up Sharpe or Scoot at the cost of Embiid. If we can get him without either guy, do it 10 times out of 10. Dame and Embiid both have POs in 26-27, Scoot and Sharpe’s extensions don’t kick in until 27-28 and 26-27.
Embiid is the kinda risky move we should be ok giving up Scoot and Sharpe for. Depending on what we can keep and how we structure the deal, it's theoretically possible to field a lineup with: Dame/ Simons/ Thybulle/ Grant/ Embiid I think that lineup with the correct minimum additions can compete with Denver.
