Additionally, most players change how they play going into the NBA. Most of them are going from the “star” or “co star” of their team to “benchwarmer” or “end of the bench guy”. A lot of them will have a much different load than what they had in college which can lead to increased defensive intensity/effort. on the flip side..Keep in mind that players like Robert Covington and Tony Allen played completely differently in college vs. NBA.
This seems to be a common theme. But unless Murray slips to 7 is there really a difference between who is available at 7 and who is available at 10? There sure does not seem to be a consensus on this board on who those 3-5 players are, yet most think #7 is too high for Duren but not at about 1o-12. I don't see much of a difference.
Fair point. I guess I interpret it as many fans just don't think he would be a good pick at 7 but he would at 10 to 15. And I just think that after the first few players it is all a crap shoot and I don't see a huge difference between them all when you are projecting how they will be 2-3 years from now.
I am with you 100% but this season for me the difference is adding at least two rotation pieces on draft night. That's why I want to trade back. Duren is my favorite guy in the draft outside of Jabari, Ivey and Banchero... I'm not saying he's a lock to be better than Chet, Keegan, Shaedon, Mathurin, Sochan (who is my fifth favorite), Daniels or even Davis or Agbagi. I'm hoping we can trade back and everyone wants players that can stretch the floor or in Sochan's case defend anyone on the floor. If we do trade back and Duren gets taken before we pick, I'm hoping we can get Sochan. People might not like this but I really want to trade Bledsoe, 7 and 36 for Randle, 11 and the Mavs 2023 FRP. I want to be able to draft Duren with that 11th pick. I want us to trade the Mavs pick and Bucks pick that we would then own for Jerami Grant. Re-sign Nurk and obviously Ant. Maybe even re-sign Ingles if it's at a very discounted rate from his previous contract. I think Duren will need to show his ability to defend the perimeter to earn some minutes at backup 4 and he'll get at least 20 minutes behind Nurk. Dame, Ant, Grant, Randle (think 2020-21), Nurk, Hart, Nas, Justise and Duren with Ingles coming on around midseason is a deep team with an extremely varied skillset.
I was wondering about that also so googled Jalen Duren motor and got these three pretty quick: "Duren was a dominant force during the spring of his junior season and was playing with a chip on his shoulder. When that side of Duren shows up, he is a monster in the paint and is an outstanding switch defender, but scouts saw that motor dialed back upon receiving the number one overall spot in 2022. I want to see the fire return in Duren. " "Despite Duren’s tantalizing physical gifts, he’s far from a can’t miss prospect. The motor seems to run hot and cold...." "It is yet to be determined how high he'll be selected exactly — and I am concerned with his selective motor ...."
who has questioned it here? his motor is probably his biggest positive attribute after his physical stuff
the #1 and #3 picks in their respective drafts vastly underperformed in their single year of college play? They seemed to still impress the powers that be of their hoops prowess... what exactly did the apathy you observed cost them? I'm trying to make some sense here... STOMP
Mr. Lamphear has and he seems like a fairly good observer to me. but I haven't really watched any tape myself except highlights so I have no idea.
Don't switch and they won't be able to iso Nurkic. Also, you're saying that bringing up Nurk in relation to Duren when you bring up Chris Paul? Daniels has above average size for a SF so I don't see how he's more of a SG.
You must have typed this on your phone, I'll do my best interpretive reading. Switching or not, Nurk is a liability on D. Thats the more important end of the court for a Big man if I'm putting together a team. NN is a terrible comparison for Duren. Much smaller and oft injured, seriously? I didn't compare Duren to Chris Paul. I compared passing on the better prospect because of whats on the roster to when the Blazers passed on Chris Paul because "we've got Sebastian Telfair" (John Nash quote). Daniels measured 6'6.0 195 with a 6'11 wingspan at the combine. Albeit much lighter, thats about the same frame as SGs Klay Thompson and Jalen Brown & a size smaller then SFs Wiggins or Tatum. Again if I'm putting together a team, I want versatility on D with guys being able to reasonably guard the spots bigger and smaller then them. I see Daniels as being able to slide onto PGs and SFs but lacking the size to slide onto PFs, which for me makes him a 2. STOMP
The fact is, nobody knows who's going to be available at number 7. Mike Schmitz loves Keegan Murray, so trading the pick before we even know who's going to be there seems like a very Sacramento Kings thing to do. This "win now" may become "be ok now and fuck up the future." I haven't heard any rumors about New Orleans trading their pick. What's wrong with them? Don't they want to "win now?"
