i remember that article. i think they said hardaway's crossover wasn't as good because he carried the ball, while iverson didn't to me, the greatest ones are kareem's skyhook and jordan's fadeaway, because of the simple reason that they are indefensible. a similarity in both moves is that they are designed to put maximum space between shooter and defender. the dream shake was amazing too. yes, why can't yao learn the skyhook? or nowitski for that matter? kareem has been begging for a job in the nba for years, you'll think the rockets or the mavs could use the advice of the most prolific scorer ever. shaq's drop step is a joke. it should be called the "butt ram" or something.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">i remember that article. i think they said hardaway's crossover wasn't as good because he palmed the ball, while iverson didn't </div> Actually, it was the other way around... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting cubanballer:</div><div class="quote_post">shaq's drop step is a joke. it should be called the "butt ram" or something.</div> lol, i don't think anybody would want to defend it if they called it that, except maybe Rodman
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, it was the other way around... lol, i don't think anybody would want to defend it if they called it that, except maybe Rodman</div> you right, it was a long time ago. i don't think either one palms it, by the way.
1)Kareem Skyhook- that probably the one move in NBA history by a player that couldnt be blocked. And also because that was the blue print for Magic's baby Skyhook(which was a part of Magic's arsenal) so that move has alot of legacy behind it. 2)the Dream Shake- I seen him skool some of the best centers of all-time during Hakeems' hayday with that move. SHAQ, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing have all been serious victims of the dream shake. And the most impressive part is that Hakeems foot work was so special. Alot of bigs would turn the ball over alot trying to do the dream shake but Hakeems foot work is what made it special. 3)MJ's Fadeway- When MJ use to get the ball on the high post this move was pretty much automatic specially when he would have a small guard or a PG on him. It use to been fun watching operate against those little guards like Mookie Blaylock, GP who were some of the best on ball defenders but were helpless agianst the MJ fadeway.
very great article. Earlier i had a question about y Iversons crossover was banned but now i understand that he carried the ball. I would have to say Carter and Jordans fade would be hardest to emulate because of their pure hops. me being a man of hops myself i understand the advantage you have on the defender. The defenders just cant hang long enough.
wow! ! <strike>CHUNGSTER are you a retard? I don't have anything against retards but it seems your brain and mouth do not always connect all the time </strike>, hence the Carter's fadeaway is better then Jordan's comment. Answers on a postcard to.... <font color="Blue">Personal attacks are not allowed. Please re-read the JustBBall Guidelines. Thanks - Hunter</font>
Did B Dizzle and AI have a similiar crossover? Why was it banned? I haven't seen it for ages nor a Sixers game, so could someone tell what it was or what it was like again? 1) I'm tied between the sky-hook and Jordan's fadeaway, both are unblockable. In the sense that Jabbar was so tall, so good and so accurate, as for Jordan he was such a strong and deadly physical and shooting force. 2) Dream Shake, the fact that he was huge and a C yet he had handle and was able to pull it off. It took a lot of skill, precision and timing, that alone made it so hard to pull it off. 3) Jordan's fadeaway, no need to say except, wins, buzzer beaters, highlight reels.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Magic Johnson:</div><div class="quote_post">Did B Dizzle and AI have a similiar crossover? Why was it banned? I haven't seen it for ages nor a Sixers game, so could someone tell what it was or what it was like again? 1) I'm tied between the sky-hook and Jordan's fadeaway, both are unblockable. In the sense that Jabbar was so tall, so good and so accurate, as for Jordan he was such a strong and deadly physical and shooting force. 2) Dream Shake, the fact that he was huge and a C yet he had handle and was able to pull it off. It took a lot of skill, precision and timing, that alone made it so hard to pull it off. 3) Jordan's fadeaway, no need to say except, wins, buzzer beaters, highlight reels.</div> Chamberlain blocked a Kareem Sky-Hook twice on the same play... So I think more players have blocked it... Manute Bol, Mark Eaton, Elmore Smith... Great blockers and I'm sure one of them blocked Kareem's sky-hook... Also, Jordan's fadeaway is blocked by Artest... For the best move, I'd still say Kareem... I still think it was the most deadly weapon in the NBA history... And it will be...
Haha I was just reading the thread and someone said Carter has just as good a fadeaway as Jordan and a better one than KG, lol. Thats absurd, it's about hitting the fadeaway not making it look nice, KG shoots roughy 50% and most of his attempts are fadeaways, he doesn't get to the line that much, and to comapare to Jordans is just laughable. 1) Hakeems Dream Shake - That was just a thing of beauty, you never knew when it was coming, and even if you did you couldn't stop it. 2) Kareems Sky Hook - Just plain unstoppable 3) Jordans Fadeaway - How man championships did he win? Yea if people could stop it he wouldn't have been called the greatest player, or won those championships.
1. Dream Shake- It's a beauty for the team and an embarassment to the defender. You may not bite the first or second fake but there'll always be the third one. Oh and let's not forget that it seems as if the Shake has hundreds of variations so you have to those hundreds covered. 2. Sky Hook- It's hard to block straight up. With the tall Kareem and his body blocking the defender from getting any closer, he'll extend his arms all the way up so it will be harder to block. 3. MJ's fadeaway- It's a thing of beauty that won games and championships. 'Nuff said.
Here are the greatest go-to moves for my generation: 1) Shaq's "Catch it in the post turn around and power it down" move was the best IMO. I just consider it to be the most dominant move in all of the NBA. There was/is no one that could stop it one on one ever. Plus he is using the most makeable shot in the NBA, the dunk. I would go out on a limb and say that this shot was the most efficient in terms of field goal percentage too than any other shot. 2) Jordan's fadeaway shot. The dunking and acrobatic shots is what made Jordan but this shot defined him as the greatest player in the game. Jordan was just so smart in the way that he used it that he would either make the shot (<font size="1">it was money 9 times out of 10) </font><font size="2">or draw the foul from some fool jumping at his pump fakes. This shot was so consistent and unguardable that no one could ever guard it effectivelyand even if they did he would fade so much that the player could not make the block. </font> <font size="1">BTW anyone that mentions Carters fadeaway to Jordans in the same breath should really look at some game film. </font> 3) Hakeem's dream shake. Probably the only centre that gave Shaq nightmares. He owned him <font size="1">(along with countless others)</font> for the Finals with this move. His footwork and agility were just so amazing that it allowed him to pull off this move with ease and make the people guarding him look like fools. Combine this with his killer drop step and you have a dominant move.
For the last time people, I never said Carter's fadeaway was better then Jordan's. What are you guys reading? In my opinion, I think Carter has the deadliest fadeaway in the league and I think his fadeaway is the only fadeaway that can be compared to Jordan's. The probable fact is that Jordan has made way more fadeaways as a game winner than Carter, which is probably the basis of all of your opinions. And no, Kevin Garnett or Scottie Pippen in his prime wouldn't be able to stop Carter's fadeaway. Even the Raptor's long-time commentator/play-by-play analyst, Leo Rautins, said there's nothing you can do about it when Carter has two healthy legs and a high elevation.
Hey I love Carter just as much as the next guy, but that's overdoing it, his fadeaway is not the best in the league right now. Commentators say a lot of things when players are hot and hitting everything, it's true that Carters turnaround fadeaway in the post is good but to compare it to KG's is already pushing it, then to Jordan, that's just too much.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">The probable fact is that Jordan has made way more fadeaways as a game winner than Carter, which is probably the basis of all of your opinions. </div> Actually, the basis for my reasoning is watching game tapes of both Jordan and Carter and their moves. The fact of the matter is that Jordan was able to make the shot more efficiently, under more circumstances that Carter. Its not that he made more game winners, which he did. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And no, Kevin Garnett or Scottie Pippen in his prime wouldn't be able to stop Carter's fadeaway. Even the Raptor's long-time commentator/play-by-play analyst, Leo Rautins, said there's nothing you can do about it when Carter has two healthy legs and a high elevation.</div> I love it how commentators say such things, especially thosed that are biased towards their home team. I mean what would he say to his audience, "Carter's fadeaway is unblockable, however Pippen and Garnett could block it."? No way, they are paid to say stuff like that and I hate to burst your bubble, but Carter's shot is no "unblockable" or "unstoppable" as you may say. There is no question he gets a high elevation off of it, however in my opinion a prime Scottie Pippen would absolutely destroy Carter and expose all of his weaknesses as a basketball player. You have your own opinions of Carter and I have mine. You are not going to listen to everyone else's comments about it and it seems that even among the Raptors fans on this site, you are the lone wolf who thinks that his shot is comparable to Michaels. Thats fine though. You can think what you think, and we will continue to think what we do.
About the unblockable thing, I remember seeing Lamar Odom block his shot thig year and Rautins saying Carter's got to be carful with Odom guarding him because he can move back but with his extremly long reach can still recover and block his shot. I think Carter got blocked twice by Odom that game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">For the last time people, I never said Carter's fadeaway was better then Jordan's. What are you guys reading? In my opinion, I think Carter has the deadliest fadeaway in the league and I think his fadeaway is the only fadeaway that can be compared to Jordan's. The probable fact is that Jordan has made way more fadeaways as a game winner than Carter, which is probably the basis of all of your opinions. </div> Anyone who has seen Jordan and Carter knows that Jordan used his shot as a means to an end. Carter uses his shot to just cop out of driving to the basket. Sorry to break it to you but Carter's shot is not efficient nor consistent enough to be compared to Jordans yet. Don't even bring up game winners. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">And no, Kevin Garnett or Scottie Pippen in his prime wouldn't be able to stop Carter's fadeaway. Even the Raptor's long-time commentator/play-by-play analyst, Leo Rautins, said there's nothing you can do about it when Carter has two healthy legs and a high elevation.</div> Are you serious? Put KG or Scottie on Carter and that is all he can do against them. There is a reason why teams play Carter to make him shoot more. It's because he relies on it so much that he ends up falling in love with it. Again Jordan never relied on his fadeaway all the time. It was a means to an end (<font size="1">the end being him scoring the basket)</font>
you dont think in past centers like darrel dawkyns and her dunks or wilt the most dominant player in history
Ok enuf Alrite guys, it is so amusing to read the posts of Jordan and Carters fadeaway shot. I would say Carter has about the same fadeaway as Jordans roughly the same, its just that Carter gets blocked sometimes cuz he takes the shot at the wrong times sometimes and gets blocked. Its not that Jordan's fadeaway is invincible, its that he uses it at the best possible times to go in. Its about the same thing just the wrong timing sometimes. They both look about the same to me. Of course many would say Carter's fade should never be compared to Jordan, which is a bit biased in saying this too. Obviously since Jordan won many championships ppl are saying this, but Jordan didnt just take invincible fades to win. Personally I feel Carters fade is pretty tough to guard too, not invincible but it is really tough to guard. Ben Wallace blocked him already, and Lamar Odom, b/c they watched many tapes on Carter and know what he's gonna do. But if it was Jordan doing it at that time as well chances are he would've been blocked too. Its all about timing, when u decide to do things, b/c if someone knows what ur gonna do, everyone will collapse on u and ur gonna lose most of the time, unless you are very tall and ppl can't reach you. As a player you cant really compare Carter to Jordan, but as far as the fadeaways go, they're pretty much about the same.
HAKEEM DREAM SHAKE TIMMY KILLER CROSSOVA MJ FADEAWAY Three of my all time favorite. As for bringin up Carter into this debate, he hasn't been around long enough or even used that fadeaway consistantly well enough.
