<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">But for the last time, I'm judging their fadeaways based on how they glide, their body control, and how unstoppable their fadeaways are. Do you ignore my significant points or what?</div> And again, judging fadeaways based on how they glide, their body control, and how unstoppable their fadeaways are WITHOUT paying attention to whether they make it or not is just ridiculously stupid. That's like saying "Hey I like that riced out honduh even though it goes 20 seconds in the quarter mile" (For all of you that don't know cars that well, 20 seconds is SLOW). We're talking about a go-to move here. So what if a go-to move (in this case, Carter's fadeaways) if he can't make 2/3 of it? It's not a go-to move anymore now is it? Judging fadeaways based on their looks is what a basketball faker/poser (which is you) do. Do you play basketball at all?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">And again, judging fadeaways based on how they glide, their body control, and how unstoppable their fadeaways are WITHOUT paying attention to whether they make it or not is just ridiculously stupid. That's like saying "Hey I like that riced out honduh even though it goes 20 seconds in the quarter mile" (For all of you that don't know cars that well, 20 seconds is SLOW). </div> Saying how unstoppable they are is basically referring to making the shot, genius. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> We're talking about a go-to move here. So what if a go-to move (in this case, Carter's fadeaways) if he can't make 2/3 of it? It's not a go-to move anymore now is it? Judging fadeaways based on their looks is what a basketball faker/poser (which is you) do.</div> It shows that you shouldn't be participating in this argument when you clearly haven't seen Vince do fadeaways before, based on what you're saying. Now you're questioning if Carter's signature move (the fadeaway) is considered a go-to move
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">Saying how unstoppable they are is basically referring to making the shot, genius. It shows that you shouldn't be participating in this argument when you clearly haven't seen Vince do fadeaways before, based on what you're saying. Now you're questioning if Carter's signature move (the fadeaway) is considered a go-to move </div> I believe I've seen more MJ games live on TV alone than all of the bball games you've watched combined, 16 year old. I will admit that I haven't watched as many Vince games as you do, but it's hard to watch the Raptors when that team's chance of success is as big as the size of Vince Carter's heart, which is not much at all. Getting into the Eastern playoffs 3 years ago isn't any accomplishment by the way. I am questioning the validity of VC's "unstoppable go-to fadeaway" because how many games have they won with VC healthy? How much success has he had with his fadeaways? That's what I thought. Funny how you just casually ignore the fact that MJ makes a significantly higher percentage on his fadeaways than Vince does. If this whole forum can't explain to you that VC's fadeaway is NOWHERE NEAR MJ's fadeaway, then you're just too biased and hopeless.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I don't see how Carter's signature move would have any relation with the extent you go through the playoffs </div> Well, how in the world to you evalute the greatness of a move then? How "cool" it looks? The most crucial factor is how it helps as far as actually WINNING GAMES. You look at all the signature moves in the history of this league, and they're all by players who have been WINNERS. Kareem. Jordan. Hakeem. Wilt. George Gervin is an exception (his Spurs teams, while they often made the playoffs, really weren't very good except on offense), but he was such an amazing and consistent individual performer with his shot making (far surpassing Vince Carter) that he he's usually mentioned. If Carter's signature, go-to move is so great and, as you say, is as good as Jordan's , then his teams would be much better than they have been.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post"> I am questioning the validity of VC's "unstoppable go-to fadeaway" because how many games have they won with VC healthy? How much success has he had with his fadeaways? That's what I thought.</div> First of all, his fadeaways has nothing to do with winning games. What do you mean by "success"? Do you mean how frequent he's scored from a fadeaway? If you're saying that, then he has had tons of success from that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Funny how you just casually ignore the fact that MJ makes a significantly higher percentage on his fadeaways than Vince does. If this whole forum can't explain to you that VC's fadeaway is NOWHERE NEAR MJ's fadeaway, then you're just too biased and hopeless.</div> When the hell did I ignore that? I don't even think "they" kept the stats of how much higher Jordan's percentage of hitting the fadeaway is compared to Carter. But I understand that he has made a career out of that move, and I understand he has hit way more fadeaways than Carter. If you can please read this infinite repeated statement, which states that their fadeaways are unstoppable, with the exception of the fact that he hit a lot more.
When I mean success, I mean winning games. I am not taking anything away from VC, his fadeaway is one of the best in the league right now, but it's nowhere near MJ's. Not even comparable. You said it yourself, Jordan was able to make a career out of it and win games. VC's fadeaway is a couple level under MJ's and hence, not comparable. Think of it this way, if his fadeaway is as "unstoppable" as MJ's, why can't he just do that alot and win games? MJ did it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">Chungster, do you honestly think that Carter's percentage on his fadeaway is anywhere close to Jordan's? Do you think he's utilized it in nearly as many clutch situations as Jordan? Carter has never been on a decent team in his life. If his fade-away was just as good as Jordan's, as you contend, tell me why he can never lead his team to any sort of playoff success? If his is such a stupendous go-to move, why do his teams perenially suck? My favorite Barkely quote this year. You remember how Kenny Smith nicknamed Vince Carter "half-man, half-amazing," when he used to be a great player? Barkley calls him "half-man, half-season." Hahaha. I busted a gut on that one.</div> Ok so you say Carter has never been on a decent team in his life? So what WOULD happen if he did decide to leave Toronto and go to a decent team? OF course he'd play much better when he doesnt get triple teamed like he always does. You're team can suck and you're still a very good player. Take for instance T-Mac, his is worst in the league, so would u say T-Mac isnt so great yourself? I bet not. As for injuries concern, even if he was back next season injury free, ppl would still bash him on that, can never satisfy everyone obviously
Vince's fadeaway isn't that great. He can't dominate the game with it, so why would you comapre him to MJ, who could practically score that way every time down the court even at age of fourty. Vince's shot maybe nice these days, but it would have been average back in the day.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting intrepid1983:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok so you say Carter has never been on a decent team in his life? So what WOULD happen if he did decide to leave Toronto and go to a decent team? OF course he'd play much better when he doesnt get triple teamed like he always does. You're team can suck and you're still a very good player. Take for instance T-Mac, his is worst in the league, so would u say T-Mac isnt so great yourself? I bet not. As for injuries concern, even if he was back next season injury free, ppl would still bash him on that, can never satisfy everyone obviously</div> from what I can tell and see,people bash Vince Carter because of his fans not because his play(or lack there of). Not to bash anyone,but alot of Toronto fans just don't what they are talking about when they talk about Vince. Thats the reason Vince gets so little respect around internet forums. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">What the hell? Carter's fadeaway is just as good as Jordan's fadeaway. Carter has the most deadliest fadeaway in the league</div> I rest my case.
That's not true at all, let me see, one Toronto/Vince fan said that, and every other one said that was wrong, so a lot and one are not the same thing. I know their are a few people like that, but every majorly popular players have fans like that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">That's not true at all, let me see, one Toronto/Vince fan said that, and every other one said that was wrong, so a lot and one are not the same thing.</div> well let me see,do a search on this site and find Vince Carter related threads. See how much bs you have to dig your way out of for the most part. Vince gets no respect because alot of his fans don't know what they are talking about. Just go look at some of the older posts in the Raptors forum. Besides,I was answering dudes claim about Vince getting bashed and why it happens.
How about Troy Hudson's streaks? You can damn near block his shot, and it'll still find its way in. Perhaps not noticed, but always fun to watch. As far as modern turnarounds, Kobe fades the most, Garnett adds a nifty little shake, that buys him a bit of time, so it's a toss-up there. I wouldn't even consider Carter when talking about turn-arounds. Rasheed Wallace doesn't fade very far, or very often, but it's hard to stop, and he has a very soft touch, which is one of the bets in the NBA. Best move on the court, right now? Shaq's travel...erm dropstep. It's hard to stop 300+ pounds of anything, when it's 7'2", is allowed to throw elbows, and isn't required to dribble. Until they start calling something on him, he will continue to dominate the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">btw, that move he did on Robinson...that was sooo travelling....I love Hakeem tho, greatest center I ever saw</div> It was like sooo not traveling. . Man just gotta take that mans thunder away. but yeah it was. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">here's a .mov file of it. I'm sure someone out here can convert it to a gif file.</div> Thanks, I know somebody.
Alright Chungster, Vincanity <font color="Red"><strike>(gayest nickname ive ever heard by the way)</strike></font> has skills but to compare him to MJ u should be slapped. I'm sorry but since you keep on arguing how sweeter Vince's fadeaway is... I have a question " How many Championships does Carter have?" And when do you hear someone say " Did you see that fadaway by Vince!?" Sorry but hes famous for dunking and thats what people will always think untill he starts proving people and even his own fans wrong. And I would actually like Vince to do that, but he's been in the NBA for 6 seasons and its time to pick it up a bit. And hes been top vote getter for allstar games 4years straight, because the fans want to see somebody get dunked on! And to tell you the truth i think KG has a better fadaway than VC. And thats my opinion and i'm stickin to it. <font color="Red">Personal attacks are not allowed at JustBBall. Please look over our Site Guidelines. Consider this your warning. - Hunter</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ShortyC20:</div><div class="quote_post">Alright Chungster, Vincanity (gayest nickname ive ever heard by the way) has skills but to compare him to MJ u should be slapped. I'm sorry but since you keep on arguing how sweeter Vince's fadeaway is... I have a question " How many Championships does Carter have?" And when do you hear someone say " Did you see that fadaway by Vince!?" Sorry but hes famous for dunking and thats what people will always think untill he starts proving people and even his own fans wrong. And I would actually like Vince to do that, but he's been in the NBA for 6 seasons and its time to pick it up a bit. And hes been top vote getter for allstar games 4years straight, because the fans want to see somebody get dunked on! </div> Nice irrelevant comments, especially calling my user name gay. Does my user name have a profound impact on you? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> And to tell you the truth i think KG has a better fadaway than VC. And thats my opinion and i'm stickin to it.</div> Yes, it's your opinion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dre:</div><div class="quote_post">well let me see,do a search on this site and find Vince Carter related threads. See how much bs you have to dig your way out of for the most part. Vince gets no respect because alot of his fans don't know what they are talking about. Just go look at some of the older posts in the Raptors forum. Besides,I was answering dudes claim about Vince getting bashed and why it happens.</div> Yes you're right, you're the first person I've ever heard use that as the claim for why Vince gets bashed, and I think you're dead on point. He does get bashed cuz some Vince enthusiasts go all out and say everything about him even if it doesnt make sense. That is true, being from Toronto though, most ppl I talk to hate him. But i see that if no one ever talked about Vince, he wouldnt be bashed so much, m/b praised a bit more.
vince doesn't even have the best fadeaway in the game today... if he was so great w/ it, he wouldn't have shot 41.7% this year... and the fact that this guy can put the ball in the bucket just about every time he gets to the rack indicates that his fadeaway is more than likely below 41.7%... the thing i will give vince is he makes more (in terms of quantity, not percentage) harder fadeaways than anyone else in the league cuz he takes so many bad shots, and usually takes this ill-advised shots while fading away.
It's not really ill-advised, its mostly because he's been talking to Milt Palacio and Michael Curry too much, and they gave him offensive advice.....worst mistake of his life. He shot 45% and over not including the injured year, till Milt and Curry came on board, they are cancer's to teams, beware. It's true that he's the best bad shot maker I've seen, he makes/takes some retarded shots.....
