Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Nets

The most important thing about re-signing Crabbe, from the standpoint a GM of a small-market team like Portland, is keeping a young asset. How many free agents worth a damn would Olshey be able to attract here with the same money if he had let Crabbe walk? How many decent SGs of any size are there in the league these days? Was his price more than you'd like to pay for a backup SG? Sure, but that was literally the market price offered for Crabbe by the Nets. Beyond that, look at the options he gives Olshey to make moves in the future. Next summer, if a great opportunity comes along to move CJ for a talented big man, Olshey can make a play knowing that he's got Turner, Crabbe and Quarterman in the stable who can play the SG position. OTOH, if Olshey wants to keep CJ and Crabbe starts producing at the clip he was last spring, he's a valuable asset to be used in trade. Looking at the Crabbe deal from the standpoint of point production just misses the point of the move.

 

I've been wanting Crabbe to be our starting shooting guard since Wes went down. I don't see any reason why CJ shouldn't be our sixth man.

 

Agreed.

 

If CJ can't accept a bench role for the good of the team, he can go fuck himself, before, during, and after we trade him.

 

Contrary to his local reputation, Crabbe has never been a consistent lights-out shooter or defender. He is inconsistent, unable to set up his own shots, and dependent upon Lillard to set him up in called plays. The rest of the league knows he's just a decoy at the end of the game to distract from Lillard, so they offered triple his worth, thinking that would do it, but Olshey is a brick wall of stubbornness about his own draft picks (and draftees obtained on draft day, like Crabbe). Every other GM knows enough to get his team several big guards, but ours doesn't, so as our only tall guard, Crabbe is crucial to our defense.

The Stotts history is a tale of two season halves. Until last season we always took a tail dive, post-All Star break. But in the second half of last season, a surf wave of consistency carried each inconsistent player including Crabbe. Fans expected that to automatically continue at the start of this season, but that's not the Stotts history of two season halves. As usual, this season will have a swing upward, with Crabbe passively carried on the wave. I don't know whether the team will then keep winning or swing down. The homer defense--all is temporary--is true but irrelevant.

 

lol Nate, it's all about Crabbe! Long live Martell II!

I wasn't alone in advocating letting NJ have him. Alan has shown some talent but sure hasn't demonstrated he's worth starter money let alone the All Star dollars they offered. I'm starting to wish there was someone else pulling the levers.

got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away, know when to run

STOMP

 

CJ IS our sixth man. He starts with Dame getting him some open shots and then 6 minutes, he goes to the bench and returns in the second quarter to star with the second unit. He starts AND plays like a sixth man. I have no problem with that.

 

I'm recalling posters being far more upset at the manner at which Batum's negotiations settled on a contract then the figure itself. I know I stated at the time his deal was a good deal for Portland and it was. I also thought Neil got the short end of the stick on the deal that sent him away, and it's looking that way as Nic is doing very well again vs scrub moments from Vonleh.

STOMP

 

I'm a Batum fan.

That is all.

FAMS.

 

It's tough to tell which contract is worse....Crabbe's or Turner's. The sad part is, both of them are on the Blazers roster.

 

Lillard is a completly different issue, he's our franchise player and we paid him the max, that was a no brainer.

Also, I think "Market Value" is a rich word for this situation. You're taking about two parents fighting over the last scuffed up Furby at Christmas time. If you paid $500 bucks for one you might go home and console yourself on the fact that you paid the "market value" for it, but you still paid $500 for a little toy.

The offers that were made this offseason were due to sudden large increase in the cap, and the Nets got desparate and threw a lot of money at him. An average bench player like Crabbe isn't worth 19 mil a year no matter how you slice and dice it.

Some people around here don't seem to think that matters, but ask yourself this. If you had a roster full of average players, would you rather they making 8.5 mil a year, or 20 mil a year each?

 

It doesn't matter what he's making. He would play better starting next to lillard. And I think I team would do better.

 

One can believe that the moon is made of cheese, we just don't have much data supporting that. As a starter next to Lillard, AC has shot 65-162 (40%) averaging 9.6 ppg. Coming off the bench he's shot 44%

what he's making is what the franchise no longer has in cap space to sign more productive players. Believe me I'd love him to be worthy of a starting spot allowing Portland to bring CJ off the bench. He's had opportunities to make his case...

STOMP

 

Because right now, Allen Crabbe flat out sucks. If he was our starter, we'd go from having one of the best starting SGs in the league to having the worst. Crabbe's PER is 8.9. He's supposed to be a great shooter, but Meyers Leonard, who has been in a shooting slump for most of the year has a higher 3FG% than Crabbe. Crabbe has played twice as many minutes as Meyers, but has only made 4 more 3-pointers for the season. Crabbe is a 1-dimensional shooter who can't shoot.

He brings nothing else to the table. He is the worst rebounder on the team and one of the worst passers (only Ed Davis, Maurice Harkless and Noah Vonleh have a lower AST% than Crabbe). He has the lowest WS (-0.2) and WS/48 (-0.050) on the team and his defense sucks. His DRtg of 116 is the worst on a team full of bad defenders. He is a 3 and D guy who can't make an open 3-pointer and can't/doesn't guard anybody.

He needs to pull his head out of his ass and start earning his contract. If not, he shouldn't even be in the rotation, much less starting.

BNM

 

Of all the guys who I thought would try to earn his contract it would be Crabbe. He'd always been a max effort guy who tried to get the most of his potential. But now he's doing his best "Jacob Ellsbury in mid-July" impression. He needs to get his butt in gear pronto.

 

His effort is as high as ever. So is his talent. As a catch and shoot (i.e. nondribbling) 2nd-round pick, he has always had to depend upon others to set him up.

This board judges Blazer players by their best games last season, not by their averages over the season. As I posted, he looks good when the team looks good, and bad when bad. He was dependently riding high late in the season, only because the team was.

 

You're

Fucking

Nuts

 

LOL, great post. The guy has been garbage and this other poster is nut in thinking Crabbe he should be starting - is he hoping for the lottery? Can't fathom that thought process, unreal

 

I don't speak for the entire board, but I don't judge Allen Crabbe by his best games. Right now, I'd be happy if he was anywhere close to his averages over the entire 81 games he played last season.

He's not, and it 's not even close. In spite of playing 2 MPG more this season, his scoring and overall productivity is down. All of his shooting percentages are down, as are almost all of his advanced states. He's gone from a decent 6th/7th man type to a guy who doesn't even deserve to be part of the regular rotation.

His production has regressed to the point where it's almost identical to what it was his second season - when he averaged 13 MPG in 51 games.

Talk of his starting is fucking ridiculous. Until he can prove he's capable to producing better than he did his second season, his playing time should also revert to what it was at that time - 13 MPG with a shit load of DNP-CDs.

Playing time should be earned and Crabbe isn't earning his - or his paycheck.

BNM

 

Turners earning his paycheck more than Crabbe right now.

Layman needs some of Crabbe's minutes for a few games to see if he's a better option.