Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Nets

To start the season I thought Crabbe's contract was hands down the only really bad contact on the team, and that Turner's was only a slight overpay, so par for our course. Now...Turner's is looking only slightly better. So far.

 

So basically, you've got nothing.

BNM

 

Lol nothing you said in your last post, disproved anything I said. Unless you think Damian sucks at shooting.

But you think CJ is a better defender than Crabbe.

So basically, you've got nothing.

 

You started with an unsupported opinion and have tried to prop it up with more unsupported opinions.

I have provided plenty of stats to support my position, but you choose to ignore them. Of course you don't like stats, because they prove just how badly the guy you think should be starting sucks.

You have done absolutely nothing to convince anyone the guy with an 8.9 PER and .348 3FG% should be starting instead of the guy with a 19.3 PER and .450 3FG%. The only reason you can come up with is "because I say so". I'm glad the Blazers coaching staff knows a lot more about basketball than you do, and I'm also they have basic common sense.

BNM

 

So basically, you've got nothing.

 

Nope, I've got everything. I can quote pages and pages of stats that show why C.J. should be starting and Crabbe should not be.

What reasons do you have that Crabbe should be starting? Based on his production he shouldn't even be in the rotation.

BNM

 

apparently you're as good at researching stats on the internet as you are at evaluating talent. I'm using basketball reference for this season genius and yup, he's the 9th best on the team in True Shooting %... heres the link

got any other funny insults?

STOMP

 

Try again.

NATE

 

How would one numerically support the hypothetical that if Crabbe started and McCollum were our star sub, the team might do better?

The link shows you're both right. It depends on whether you include the players with insignificant minutes.

 

You're approaching what I said, which was...in the second half of last season, the team got good. Crabbe was carried passively on the surf wave, since as a catch-and-shoot 2nd-round pick, he depends upon Lillard to set him up. He's a wave rider, not a needle mover. Fans expected his improvement to be permanent, but he has never been a lights-out shooter or defender. Now the team sucks, so so does he. When and if the team improves in the second half of the season, so will Crabbe. In other words, blame Olshey for overpaying, not Crabbe for putting out less effort, which he isn't.

 

Starting to understand what I mean by riding the wave? He is filler, not initiator. You need guys like him, but don't get impressed/depressed when they feed off of the team's success/failure trend. They are a reflection of the team, not vice versa.
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On another note, if you look at ESPN efficiency points per minute (you have to divide the far right column by minutes), you see that last season he was 12th on the team (ahead of Vonleh and the bottom four on the list), but was 4th in minutes per game. Olshey's contract made fans expect too much.

http://www.espn.com/nba/seasonleaders/_/team/por/year/2016

 

So you're blaming Crabbe missing wide open shots on the team playing poorly?

 

He always did miss shots. That's why I keep saying he was never a lights-out shooter. After a 3-year career, late last season he finally ascended to being an average rotation bench player, only because the team's roller coaster temporary success enabled it. The quality of his play didn't cause the team's temporary success. A caused B. B didn't cause A.

 

Hey, don't use common sense. Our two best shooters are Tim quarterman, and pat connaughton. They shoot .78% and 100%

Best shooters in the league.

 

try again LOL! Your claim is provably complete BS and somehow thats irrelevant? Whatever dude, massive fail. Enjoy your man crush.

STOMP

 

Alright genius.
I guess using common sense is too hard for you.

 

LOL, common sense, from the guy who thinks Crabbe should be starting over McCollum:

Code:

Crabbe:    8.5 pts/g, 2.8 reb/g, 1.4 ast/g, 0.5 stl/g, 0.3 blk/g, PER =  8.7, 3FG% = .353, WS/48 = .018
McCollum: 22.3 pts/g, 3.8 reb/g, 3.6 ast/g, 1.3 stl/g, 0.5 blk/g, PER = 19.9, 3FG% = .445, WS/48 = .111

The main reason Crabbe should not be starting over C.J. is because C.J. is our best 1st quarter player. He has more made 1st quarter 3-pointers than any player in the entire league (more than Curry, more than Love, more than Harden, more than Durant, more than Lillard, more than EVERYONE) and has the highest 1st quarter 3FG% of any player who has made more than ten 1st quarter 3-pointers (again, higher than Curry, Love, Durant, Lillard, etc.). Crabbe shoots a very Andre Milleresque 30% from downtown in the 1st quarter.

Here's how their 1st quarter production compares:

Code:

Crabbe:   MIN = 102, PTS =  31, FGM = 12, FGA = 30, FG% = 40.0, 3FGM =  6, 3FGA = 20, 3FG% = 30.0, FTM =  1, FTA =  3, FT% = 33.3, ORB =  0, DRB =  12, TRB = 12, AST =  7, TOV = 6, STL = 0, BLK = 0
McCollum: MIN = 164, PTS = 131, FGM = 50, FGA = 87, FG% = 57.5, 3FGM = 21, 3FGA = 35, 3FG% = 60.0, FTM = 10, FTA = 12, FT% = 83.3, ORB =  5, DRB =  16, TRB = 21, AST = 23, TOV = 7, STL = 9, BLK = 3

Tell us again why Crabbe should be starting over C.J. C.J. McCollum is one of the best SGs in the league. If Crabbe was starting, he'd be the worst starting SG in the league.

C.J. is the best 1st quarter player on our team and one of the best in the entire league. He flat out does everything better than Crabbe. Don't believe me? Just look at those 1st quarter numbers. They don't lie.

C.J.'s hot shooting is usually the only thing keeping us in games at the beginning. If we take him out of the starting lineup, we'd be starting every game with a double digit deficit. Please explain how that would be a good thing.

Yeah, we need to do something, but benching our second best player and best 1st quarter performer is not the answer. Especially when the guy you are proposing to start in his place has never been more than an average bench player, at his best, and is having an absolutely horrible season.

BNM

 

BTW, this isn't an isolated trend. C.J. was also our best 1st quarter player last year, by a wide margin. I won't bother to list all the stats, as I know you ignore any actual data that doesn't support you opinions, but here's a couple nuggets:

C.J. shot 49.6% 3FG% in first quarters last season. Last season, C.J. was 6th in the league in made 1st quarter 3-pointers and was second in the league in 1st quarter 3FG% (trailing only J.J. Reddick's 50.4%).

His 1st quarter +/- was +103. Here's how that compared to our other starters. plus Crabbe:

2015-16 season, 1st quarter +/-:

C.J. McCollum: +103
Mason Plumlee: +50
Noah Vonleh: +22
Al-Farouq Aminu: +18
Maurice Harkless: +15
Allen Crabbe: -3
Damian Lillard: -7

Both this year and last, C.J, is the one keeping us in games in the 1st quarter. Yanking him from the starting line up would be insane and totally counter productive.

BNM

 

Hmmm... this CJ character you speak of... he sounds like he would be great off the bench.

So basically, you've got nothing.

NATE

 

Right, we should bench the guy who keeps us in games at the beginning in favor of a guy who sucks.

If only we had the luxury of bringing C.J. off the bench. Unfortunately, we do not.

BNM