Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Nets

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Cippy91, Jul 7, 2016.

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Should we match Brooklyn's offer sheet for Allen Crabbe?

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  1. Wizard Mentor

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    Ha!
     
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    Something tells me not even the Kings are that dumb.

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    Of course they're not - which is why it was funny. :)
     
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    Maybe he can keep us in the game a little later? Idk though, if Crabbe starts, we might have the worst defense in the league.... oh wait...
     
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    Lmao. We'd be out of the game a little earlier. Your logic is flawed.

    But with starting Crabbe, you either you want CJ playing less, or you want him playing 18 straight minutes to end each half. Both are awful ideas.
     
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    Oh, so CJ won't be able to score if he comes off the bench. Gotcha.

    And sure, that's how it's always works when good players come off the bench. It's always awful, just ask Manu, or Iggy, or Crawford, or... fuck it.
     
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    In this millennium, there have been precisely zero players who have averaged more than 34 mpg coming off the bench. So, yes, that's exactly how it works when good players come off the bench: they play fewer minutes than CJ currently does.
     
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    It's basic fucking math dude. CJ gets around 36mpg. How would he comes off the bench, play 36mpg, and not play 18 straight minutes to end the half?
     
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    We'd lose points at the start. Sure, our 2nd unit would make a better run but that would just be making up points lost at the start by starting Crabbe.
     
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    We've been through this all before. None of those guys you mentioned came off the bench when they were young and in their primes. I know guys like Manu and Crawford have been doing it for so long people tend to forget that they used to start. Of the three examples you give, Crawford was the youngest to make the move to the bench, and the age of 29. Iggy didn't move to the bench until he was 31 and Manu started 79 games at the age of 33 and was an all star.

    Those guys currently play less than 25 MPG each, about 10 MPG less than C.J. The last time Manu played more than 24 MPG was when he was a starter. The last time Iggy played more than 27 MPG, he was a starter. Crawford is the only one of the three to ever average more than 30 MPG coming off the bench (31.1 MPG 8 years ago, his first season as a non-starter compared to the 38 - 39 MPG he averaged as a starter).

    Anyway you slice it, if you move C.J. to the bench, he will play fewer minutes and I have no idea how on earth playing our second best player fewer minutes benefits the team - especially when the guy you want to give those minutes to is a below average bench player having an absolutely terrible season.

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    To play devil's advocate...
    1Q
    12:00-9:00 Dame/AC
    9:00-6:00 Dame/CJ
    6:00-3:00 Shabazz/CJ
    3:00-0:00 Dame/CJ
    2Q
    12:00-9:00 Dame/CJ
    9:00-6:00 Dame/AC
    6:00-3:00 Shabazz/CJ
    3:00-0:00 Dame/CJ

    Dame/CJ each get 18 minutes in the half, but are never off the floor simultaneously. Counting the q1/q2 switch, Dame actually gets 3 breaks in his 18 minutes (to help keep him fresh), and CJ gets a couple as well.

    So, it could be done, but it's pretty choppy. Starting them together makes it a lot simpler.
     
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    Yep, C.J. is a fast starter. As I showed in my previous post, he's not just our best 1st quarter player he's one of the best in the entire league.

    Why we'd want give that up in favor of a guy with a single digit per is beyond me. Do we really want to intentionally start every game by digging ourselves into a double digit hole? Comebacks are fun for the fans, but exhausting for the players. Especially when you fall behind at the start of the game and have to spend the rest of the night clawing your way back just to make it close and hope to pull one out at the end.

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    If CJ gets subbed in 3 minutes into the game, then what's the point in not starting him? It makes no sense to not start him just to bring him in by the 9 minute mark.
     
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    Yeah and zero continuity. In that scenario no one would be able to get into any kind of rhythm. But, you get an A (and a like) for effort.

    The only good thing about that breakdown is that Crabbe sees his minutes cut from 28 MPG to 12 MPG, and that's a good thing.

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    He plays 34 but I Don't think there would be a drop off in production if he played 33 or 32. But he can always start the second half, if the first didn't go well.
     
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    And the number one reason the first half won't go well - Allen Crabbe starting. If he's not good enough to be starting the second half, he shouldn't be starting the first.

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    That's only because I'm the president of the Shabazz Napier fan club, and would love to see him snake a bunch of AC's minutes.
     
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    For the last time, would you please just explain why making our starting line up worse benefits the team?

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    Actually, I'd like to see Jake the Snake Layman start to take some of Crabbe's minutes. Give Turner the back-up SG minutes and let Layman play some back up SF. We all know Turner can't shoot, but neither can Crabbe. At least Turner contributes in other ways when he's on the court. So, let Layman take the spot up, wide open 3s Crabbe is currently bricking. I don't see how he could possibly do any worse in that role than Crabbe is.

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    I actually feel like Layman could defend better than Crabbe. Layman also does all the little things Crabbe doesn't, such as getting rid of the ball right away if he doesn't have anything as well as passing with zip. He is miles ahead of Crabbe at finishing and is even a better ball handler. Layman is a glue guy that needs a chance. I love the way he plays.

    I wouldn't mind trading Crabbe to Dallas for Wesley Matthews right now. At least Wesley has done ACTUAL STUFF before, and brings some much needed heart and soul to the team, and his contract expires sooner. Dallas sucks and they're rebuilding so maybe they would be willing to swap Wesley for the younger Crabbe.
     
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