Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Nets

The problem with playing Jake is that the more exposure he gets the more teams will insist that we include him in any trade we make. We HAVE to play Crabbe until he becomes an asset.

 

At 6'9", Layman has good size for a SF. Playing Crabbe and Turner together leaves us undersized at the SF spot. Turner and Layman together makes more sense. I know Layman is a rookie, but I can't think of one thing Crabbe does better.

The only reason to play Crabbe at this point is to showcase him for a trade, but he isn't exactly helping his stock with the way he's playing. Plus, that 15% trade kicker makes an already hideous contract that much worse for anyone willing to take him off our hands.

BNM

 

So, until February 2020 when he becomes attractive as a big, expiring contract. Great.

BNM

 

Are you trying to claim Crabbe is a good, or bad defender?

From those numbers, it looks like he gives up more than 5 more points/48 minutes than he scores, whether he's playing SF or SG.

If you just look at the table here you can see that Crabbe's net production is -6.0 compared to C.J.'s +8.5.

For anyone who wants to start Crabbe because of his "superior" defense, please note his net points/48 at SG is -5.1 compared to C.J.'s +16.5. That's a difference of 21.6 points/48 in C.J.'s favor.

The best option is to continue to start C.J. at SG (duh!), play Turner at the backup SG and Layman at the backup SF. As I've been saying all long, Crabbe doesn't just deserve not to start, at his current level of production, he doesn't even deserve to be part of the regular rotation.

BNM

 

Through 19 games this year, Crabbe gives up 15.3 points/48. C.J. gives up 16.0 points/48. Really not much difference there, especially when you consider C.J. plays against starters and Crabbe plays against backups. The big difference is, C.J scores over twice as many points/48 as Crabbe and does so much more efficiently.

Crabbe's defense was actually worse last year, but he made up for it by his average offense. He was basically a net neutral player, scoring wise, last season at both SG (-0.4 pts/48) and SF (+0.3 pts/48), but was slightly net negative overalll, because he brings nothing to the table other than scoring.

This year, with his offense regressing to where it was before his contract year "breakout" season, he's basically a huge net negative no matter where you play him. He's giving up way more than he gets.

That leads me to a question about +/-. I still haven't figured out who is the victim when they play together, Evan Turner or Allen Crabbe. We keep hearing about how bad Turner's +/- is, but nobody ever mentions that he is stuck playing most of his minutes with a stand still shooter who can't shoot. +/- isn't really an individual stat, at least not in the sample sizes we are talking. The individual is only one of the ten players on the court, and if you're saddled with unproductive teammates, your +/- will suffer.

Turner was a +101 last year coming off the bench in BOS and Crabbe was +43 for POR last season. So, both are capable of making positive contributions, when paired with the right teammates. Its obvious that neither is thriving in the current situation, which is why, I'd like to see Stotts mix it up and try a Turner/Layman combo at the backup SG/SF spots.

BNM

 

He guards the other teams SF, but it's not like his role on offense has changed. He's still a spot up, stand still 3-point shooter. The difference is last year he made those wide open shots at a respectable percentage. This year, he is not.

What makes you say he plays with team team already in the hole? Our starting unit has a positive 1st quarter +/-. It's the bench that usually surrenders the lead and Crabbe is a big part of that.

BNM

 

Are they? It seems like I see the opposing SF guarding Turner, due to his post game, more than Crabbe. That still doesn't explain why he's bricking so many wide open 3-pointers.

We were a .500 team (28-28) with Vonleh starting. It was the late season change to the Aminu/Harkless starting line up that propelled us to the 5th seed.

Crabbe has the worst DRtg on the team.

BNM

 

Not exactly helping your case there.

He was tied for last in DRtg among the top 11 in minutes played. The only players with a worse DRtg were the end of bench scrubs.

BNM

 

Writes some guy I've never heard of without citing a single data point to support his conclusion/opinion. Basically, Crabbe plays good defense, because I say he does. Sounds familiar.

BNM

 

common sense would dictate if someone claims that a player is the 4th best on the team in a statistic, when reality reveals he's actually the 9th best that that person would say "my bad, I was wrong"... because who cares, we're just talking hoops. But you're obviously out to prove you're untethered by reality, silly statistics or making sense, it's all about blind love for your man. Can't fault the board for laughing though.

STOMP

 

You need to let it die. Common sense would dictate that Nate leave trivial players out of the ranking, which is what he did.

 

The claim was 4th best on the team, no qualifiers were attached. Which of the 8 guys ranked ahead of him aren't on the team? And if we're going by your nonsensical interjection into this, which of these 4 guys is the "trivial" player in your opinion? Lilliard, CJ, Harkless, Plumlee. Besides all being starters, all 4 are ranked ahead of Crabbe in TS% and all score more points. I'd also point out that all 4 also bring other things to the table besides being a scoring threat.

Perhaps you've some more wisdom to share, or perhaps for once you'll say, "you know, I really should look things up so I know what the fuck I'm talking about"

STOMP