Religion Americans Skeptical Of God But Think Heaven Is Real, Somehow

yet you have to teach your child not to lie, and how to share, because we are inherently bad, we are taught morals as we grow up, we do not naturally do the right thing until after we are taught what is right.

 

Ha! Well you do know you get no reward.

Oh btw, I did describe, you seem to have difficulty understanding (in any language) from several points of view.

 

Agreed. That is why it is called the old testament, and new testament. There are so many types of christ and pictures of his coming that if it is just a story book and not god inspired those had to be some pretty incredible writers. It took reading the whole thing through a few times to conclude it was just too complex for a couple of guys to get together and put it together. I did not get this same conclusion after reading the Koran.

 

Awesome I hope to see you at the after party

 

Well I will take your word as what you believe. I wouldn't think you need to accept the entire old testament, to be a Christian, but then I am not, as I already said. But from my view, the old Torah
pretty much defines the way it was, not as it should be.

Actually if you read the book, Who Wrote the Bible. It speculates most was written by the Rabbis (the tribe that owned no land). Some times the same story is told from two different perspectives, one by a Rabbi from Judah and another by a Rabbi of Israel. Many more nuances are put forth.

All interesting stuff but not necessarily truth. But then, some do take it that way.

 

You are doing the concluding. Continue with the why you did it?

 

The Torah has so many types and pictures of Christ to me as a christian it helps strengthen my belief that Jesus was who he claimed to be.

But ever since I read the book of romans extensively ive really grown tired of the debates. Romans says that believers are predestined to be believers, so nothing I do or say will change someone's mind, it's all up to God. That's why I always say im blown away he chose me, because if I was God id look at me and be like fuck that ass hole, he goes to hell.

 

Who else would I be?

 

Im thinking mags or slypokerdog.

 

Geez! Maybe I am just slow tonight, but I know nothing of Christ in the Old Testament.
Except for the coming Messiah, in prophecy.

 

"The immaterial part of a person; the actuating cause of an individual life"

"an unchanging personal principle that continues in time infinitely."

"the true self beyond the biological, the essence of the individual"


Phrases like these are just vague circular woo-woo speak and don't help anyone understand or conceptualize anything. Including you.

 

You are of course, able to speak for yourself, and you are convincing, you can't get there.
But you must admit, you totally lack the capacity to speak for anyone else.

 

I'll tell you guys my "religious views", cuz I guess I'm a reflection of the younger population. These are solely my own beliefs. Because of that, it may sound crazy but I believe it answers a lot of questions.

The human mind only comprehends 3 dimensions. X (Right/Left), Y (Up/Down), Z (Forwards/Backwords). Every direction is a combination of the 3. XYZ is essentially all that we perceive to be around us. I believe time is the 4th dimension (I won't elaborate) and I believe there is a 5th, which is something like what some would consider heaven. It's a part of space much like X,Y,Z, but we just can't possibly comprehend it while were living.

We experience the world through our body, which is tied into the first 4 dimensions. Our soul however exists in that 5th dimension. That's why it's impossible for the living to measure a soul. Our soul is connected to the world through our living body. However, when our body dies, that connection is broken.

Sometimes souls have a connection with the "real world" after their bodies die, which explains ghosts and why some places are "haunted". I believe that that connection wears over time.

Some living also have a special sense for the 4th and 5th dimensions, which explains psychics.

I believe in what is called reincarnation, but only once the soul has transfered completely over to the 5th dimension. The actions and experiences that one has over their previous lifetime has a way of tying their soul into the fabric of the "real world" dimensions.

That leads me to my next belief, and that is that Christianity is a representation that was formulated to help the living understand the 5th dimension. Other religions have other bits and parts to them that represent the 5th dimension.

Lastly (and probably insane sounding to most), I believe the Universe is the extent of the first 5 dimensions. The universe repels others like it in a plane of nothingness, which could be called the 6th dimension. I believe "pure" souls can survive in the 6th dimension while others can't. I believe they can travel there through gateways called black holes. Once there is enough pure souls, they have the energy to create new universes (Big Bang).

Through all that, I don't believe in a "God". However, I do believe there's a few select souls that have the power to influence the real world in godlike ways.

I guess that relates to the premise of this whole thread.

 

I think after death, we are where we were before we were conceived. Gone, poof, not around, non-existent.

 

To VanillaGorilla:

Saw your post before it got deleted, and I got a question for you

How does being told what to believe make your beliefs more valid and less "utter nonsense" than the beliefs I formulated on my own?

 

That's why I posted ask that through. Just to see what kind of reactions I got. Because one thing I don't agree with is when someone discredits another religion because it's different from there's. It's wrong to do that when it comes to people and their skin color, sexual orientation and even their personalities, but why is that widely accepted when it comes to their beliefs?

 

Jonah for example, spends 3 days in the belly of the whale, comes back. Christ was in the grave 3 days before rising.

Abraham is asked to sacrifice his son, when his son asks dad where is the lamb, Abraham responds God will provide himself a lamb. Then right before he plunges the dagger God says stop and there is a lamb. I always lover that line, "God will provide himself a lamb" because Christ is God in the flesh and was called the lamb of God, so he literally provided himself as the lamb. Tons more pictures and types, of course Jonah isnt part of the Torah but it is old testament.

Thats why I concluded 66 books written over the span of about 1400 years with so much imagery, accurate prophecy, and types just fits too well not to be inspired.