OT America's Crime Wave!

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    As someone who loves going to the beach, I'm offended that the word wave is now being tied to crime.
     
  2. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Nah, locking them up would be better unless they can prove to be non-destructive. A lot of homeless are mentally ill or drug addicts. Both shouldn't be allowed in society. A junkie with a free hotel room is still going to be a junkie.
     
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    That is the least efficient and most expensive way to treat the problem. In fact, it has never worked, anywhere, without authoritarian powers.

    I'm taking a hard pass on the expensive authoritarianism. But thanks for the offer.

    I'll choose the proven least expensive, most effective option please .
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    I'll gladly pay more to keep homeless and drug addicts off the streets. The savings will be in the increased quality of life.
     
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    You can keep them off the streets for far less, and help far more of them become productive members of society.

    You are advocating to spend 4x as much, and the only different result is more people are tortured and fewer are productive members of society (and higher crime and poverty rates). So paying 4x as much for a plan that doesn't work... Has never worked.

    Again, I'll take the option that actually works and costs 1/4 as much. Thanks.
     
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    You're not solving the problem. Drug addiction and mental illness. Like I said, they will still commit crimes. You're just giving them a space indoor to sleep.
     
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    Housing first addresses mental illness and drug addiction far more effectively than prison. Prison is where people go to learn how to be criminals.

    https://nida.nih.gov/publications/d...overdose following release from incarceration.

    So again, the data shows us that with the "prison plan" you are spending quadruple while not solving anything... But actually making the problem worse.

    Prisons are a part of the problem. Not the solution.
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    It wouldn't be a prison. It would be a specifically constructed facility for homeless persons with mental and drug treatment programs.

    And you are still allowing druggies and craziest out in public.

    https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/l...ment/509-b849c28b-c6c2-4055-b757-8f8c91c3e106
     
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    It looks like they've set up "Housing First" in LA.

    Being here since 1995, the homeless crisis and the associated problems with homeless persons has never been worse.
     
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    No, I'm not. You keep making these untrue claims about housing first. Is it deliberate, or do you really not know?

    Housing first doesn't prevent dangerous people or other criminals from being put in jail. It gets the other people out of the way so police and social workers can more easily identify the dangerous ones and those who need the most help. And put them where they need to be.
     
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    So we don't know if it works. Sounds lame.

    All I know is the homeless are a big part of crime problems. They murder, steal and assault people.
     
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    It worked great in Salt Lake City (until the program wasn't renewed after a decade). It works great in Finland...

    It works. Housing first is cheaper than prison or mental institutions, and allows mental health and drug treatment programs to be more effective than either allowing them to be homeless or forcing them all in prisons or mental institutions.
     
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    So it works great in white populations. Got it
     
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    No, it works for ethnic minorities as well.

    https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-016-3768-4
     

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