Good owner doesn't sign off on a deal when he knows about the condition of Roy's knees, timeline or not. Backlash doesn't matter if you know you're making the right decision. Shame on Larry Miller, Paul Allen and the Vulcans for letting the fans pressuring them into giving Roy the money. Although when you consider Paul Allen fails at almost every business he opens it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
Wait a second. Are nik and jlprk saying that Larry Miller didn't have time to rework an extension? Roy signed on August 6th, 2009, after negotiations started on July 1st, at the very earliest. The team had until midnight on 10/31/09 to extend Roy, which was almost 3 more months to fix the mess that KP supposedly made on all his own. I find it impossible to believe that the team was put in such a bad position that they signed Roy within a week or so of Pritchard being pulled off of the talks. They had almost 3 full months to still negotiate from the time Roy actually signed his contract! If it was that bad, Pritchard should have been fired immediately, instead of given another year to make mistakes. This just shows how inept ownership here is, doesn't it?
Why do I have to explain how any hierarchy uses delegation of duties. The owner pays the GM to negotiate contracts. The owner peruses results, but must trust his top people unless he wants to fire them and do their jobs. Allen made a cursory review but ultimately went with the advice offered him. Everyone involved in any decision gets a portion of the responsibility, but only certain people will get fired over it. You can blame the owner for what the GM did, but the owner isn't the guy who gets fired.
PapaG, RoyToy.... Yea you guys are right, it's nonsense everything I'm saying! I'm sure Roy just all the sudden realized ouch my knees hurt today more than usual!! HAHAHAHA What I'm argueing is to the extent he knew he was limited before signing his contract! Judging by the fact he's iced every day and needs three games off for one game on, I'd say he knew he had a slightly bigger problem than he let on. You can't say different!! He's not playing because of those knees right now and when he's on the court he's slower than joel with no lift, I don't think that happened overnight nor does anyone who's covered this story.... SO why is it such a stretch to think he wanted to get PAID before the extent of this injury came out?
The team knew about his knees before they signed him to the contract. This has been reported. Roy's knee problems weren't a secret to anyone. Roy "fooling" the franchise into giving him big money makes no sense.
What is your point and why do you keep hammering us about this? The team knew the extent of his knee issues. They have said as much. They can see if he is in pain. They signed him. He isn't giving back any damn money, and if he did and was able to, you aren't going to see any of it anyways, so why do you keep crying about it.
Since Pritchard got into trouble last Spring, critics of Paul Allen have said that he's too hands-on, interferes, and didn't give Pritchard enough independence. Now you say he wasn't hands on enough in the Roy matter.
Who do I blame for Miller/Allen rushing to re-sign Roy when there were still 3 months left to renegotiate the (alleged) botched Pritchard negoations. Then, Aldridge gets signed for $65 million later that summer. Was that Pritchard's fault too? I'm so confused...
If this is a fact, it's on PA - the buck stops at Paul Allen, if he intends to run his businesses as an absentee owner - he deserves anything that comes his way. Well, duh. At the end of the day, given the time-line and the fact that there was tons of time to stretch the Roy extension - and the claim that KP was removed from the negotiations - it seems that KP was fired because of something else. Allen and his cronies had the time and authority to sign or not sign Roy. They did. I do not think there is any reason to believe that this was the reason KP was fired. These facts just do not seem to jive with it.
Ownership may in fact be inept ... that's something I'm willing to entertain, but the fact remains that KP basically put the franchise in an untennable position by publicly backing Roy with his comments about "deserving" the max. At that point Allen and Miller were basically backed in to a corner with the prosepect of potentially alienating ticket holders and jeopardizing whatever good will had been accumulated since the 06' draft or they could bite the bullet and offer him what KP had conceded. It's sort of like going to a car dealership with the mindset of playing hardball with the car salesman only to have your wife (or husband?) go bananas over a car and tell the dealer that they have to have the car no matter what and that it's "perfect." At that point you either walk out of the dealership (offer no extension) or you pay full price, because you're negotiating position has been blown up.
Had Roy gone into the tank last year, you may have a point. Had Larry Miller not admitted they knew about the knees, you may have a point. Since neither happened, you have no point. It's ... nonsense. That's the best word I can come up with for your opinion.
No SENSE???? He's paid, has an ironclad contract, and will never have to worry about money again! That's a pretty big reason to lesson your symptoms wouldn't ya say? I'm not saying the team didn't know about his knees I'm saying that didn't know how bad...... Judging by how quickly he's deteriorated I think he knew... sorry if you don't agree.. the proof is in his play or lack there of it!
Then you fire him at that point, tell Roy's people you're starting from scratch, and get on with it. Since that didn't happen, and since the supposedly incompetent KP was allowed another year to botch things up even more, I have to assume that Allen was fine with the extension. If he wasn't, and if he signed Roy because of his incompetent GM, yet he let the incompetent GM still have a job ... well ... who is really the most incompetent person in that situation?
Well, going from All-NBA and All-Star player to average starter in roughly 20 games would suggest a rapid deterioration, perhaps fostered by his knee injury/surgery last spring, than it would Roy tanking, wouldn't it?
I don't really care who is "most" incompetent (the whole group is looking pretty equal). I'm just kind of tired of seeing KP being given a pass by people who gloss over his mistakes and continue to sing his praises. And if it was me I would have fired him on the spot, but alas I'm not the one calling the shots.
No the team most certainly did not know the extent to how bad his knees were, if they did they hid if from the fans, cause all summer and early fall it was how great shape Roy was in, and how ready to go he was for the season. Not once did ya hear grave concern about BROYs knees. NOT ONCE till the season tickets were purchased and butts were in seats. That is a fact!
season tickets are renewed in march, so the summer has nothing to do with it. And now you shift from roy to the team knowing and duping fans? ok.
