Iggy can also play 3 positions. And the first couple of games after the break he scored atleast 18 pts. And Iguodala is a better man to man defender. Smith just blocks alot better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DRob-50-Forever @ May 1 2006, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What is third position Iggy can play?</div>He played a little point guard this year, but he wasn't too bad or too good at it.
Oh, that doesn't seem like a very viable option though. Smith can start and play a whole game effectively at the 2, 3, or 4.
I say Josh Smith. He can score, rebound, and more importantly, he's been knocking down way more of his jump shots which have been a problem for him in the past. I'm now seeing him making about 2 3's a game to close out the season. AI is just overrated, the only thing he's actually really good is dunking, otherwise he's too incosistent with everything else. IMO, if he plays like he did during the rookie challenge every game or much more, the Sixers would be a really good team
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 1 2006, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not even close to even in 3's. Iggy is far better from 3, just watch some Sixers games. The stats also back me up. BigMo- When I say Kobe type player I didn't mean as good as Kobe, but I meant a very athletic scorer who can also play very good defense.</div>Are you kidding me? watch a hawks game. The stats back you up? oh, a WHOPPING 3%. For the record, i've watched about 10 or 11 sixer games atleast this year. My brother is a b ig fan. I'm not underrating Iggy. You obviously haven't seen Josh Smith since the All-star break.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ May 1 2006, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you kidding me? watch a hawks game. The stats back you up? oh, a WHOPPING 3%. For the record, i've watched about 10 or 11 sixer games atleast this year. My brother is a b ig fan. I'm not underrating Iggy. You obviously haven't seen Josh Smith since the All-star break.</div>That 3% is also what makes youn think Melo is SUCH a more efficient scorer than VC. 3% is a difference, considering Iggy took 349 3 pointers to Smith's 110. Also, Iggy has 8% FG% on Smith. Yes, I did. I have LP, and while i try to avoid most Hawks games (lol) I did see them play nets few times, and one or 2 other times when I was bored and no other good games were on. Smith is a decent player with some very good potential, but right now Iggy is the better defender, better overall offensive player, and better passer. Period. End of story.
Melo is shooting 5% better than Vince, and they've taken ALOT of shots, so that's really alot bigger difference than what we are talking about right now.If you had really seen Josh Smith play since the all-star break, there's no way you would use stats to prove your argument. He has outplayed Iguodala since the break."End of story." no, it's really not. Josh Smith is on the rise BIG time, he will easily surpass iggy by twenty games into next year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ May 1 2006, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Melo is shooting 5% better than Vince, and they've taken ALOT of shots, so that's really alot bigger difference than what we are talking about right now.If you had really seen Josh Smith play since the all-star break, there's no way you would use stats to prove your argument. He has outplayed Iguodala since the break."End of story." no, it's really not. Josh Smith is on the rise BIG time, he will easily surpass iggy by twenty games into next year.</div>Once again, Iggy took 250 more 3's than Smith. That is a BIG difference. As for the Carter thing, VC, except for this year and one year in Toronto, has always averaged better than 45%, usually 46%.I don't think he outplayed Iggy, and I will find individual stats to prove it.But he is not better right now. And remember, Smith plays on a team where Joe Johnson is the main guy. On Philly, Iggy has to deal with 30 FGA's per game in AI, and another huge scorer in Webber.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 1 2006, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That 3% is also what makes youn think Melo is SUCH a more efficient scorer than VC. 3% is a difference, considering Iggy took 349 3 pointers to Smith's 110. Also, Iggy has 8% FG% on Smith. Yes, I did. I have LP, and while i try to avoid most Hawks games (lol) I did see them play nets few times, and one or 2 other times when I was bored and no other good games were on. Smith is a decent player with some very good potential, but right now Iggy is the better defender, better overall offensive player, and better passer. Period. End of story.</div>Josh Smith has been in the league for two years and in his first year he didnt play near as much as Iggy did his first year. If you want to go to stats, go look up Josh Smiths stats in the 2nd half of the season and come back and tell me that ur right. I had him on my fantasy team and he was one of my best 4 or 5 players on my team in the 2nd half. He was hitting a couple threes a game towards the end of the season and in blocked shots, he is near the top of the league. He is a GOOD rebounder and he will be way better in my opinion than Iggy. I would say at least half of Iggy's points come off of fast break buckets or oops. Smiths upside is so great that its ridiculous. Once his jumpshot is consistent like it was in the 2nd half of the season he will be a great player. Yes i said great.
Ok, looking at stats, Smith did play better after all star break. He had 2PPG more, they were even with APG (.1APG to Smith I think), he had about 2-3 more RPG, and Iggy had more SPG while Smith had more BPG. Iggy had the slightly better FG %, although I didn't calculate that, but just looking on paper Iggy was over a 50% shooter. But once again, remember, Iggy had to share ball with AI who shoots almost 30 FGA's per game, CWebb who jacks it up 18 times per game, and quite a few other role players. Smith is/was the second scoring option for Hawks, and after All Star break, judging by his FGA increase, the coach wanted to test out the young guns. Stats tell much of the story. They tell you who is more efficient and who is more productive. They also can tell who is the team leader and who can take over games if you look at 4th quarter numbers and game winners. Of course, they don't tell whole sotry, but in this arguement they really show why I believe Iggy is better (more PPG on ball hogging team, better FG %, better 3pt FG %, more APG, more SPG, etc... Iggy is also the better one on one defender, while help goes to Smith (SPG usually show you are better one on one defender and clog passing lanes, while blocks is usually from help defense).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 1 2006, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, looking at stats, Smith did play better after all star break. He had 2PPG more, they were even with APG (.1APG to Smith I think), he had about 2-3 more RPG, and Iggy had more SPG while Smith had more BPG. Iggy had the slightly better FG %, although I didn't calculate that, but just looking on paper Iggy was over a 50% shooter. But once again, remember, Iggy had to share ball with AI who shoots almost 30 FGA's per game, CWebb who jacks it up 18 times per game, and quite a few other role players. Smith is/was the second scoring option for Hawks, and after All Star break, judging by his FGA increase, the coach wanted to test out the young guns. Stats tell much of the story. They tell you who is more efficient and who is more productive. They also can tell who is the team leader and who can take over games if you look at 4th quarter numbers and game winners. Of course, they don't tell whole sotry, but in this arguement they really show why I believe Iggy is better (more PPG on ball hogging team, better FG %, better 3pt FG %, more APG, more SPG, etc... Iggy is also the better one on one defender, while help goes to Smith (SPG usually show you are better one on one defender and clog passing lanes, while blocks is usually from help defense).</div>First of all, Josh Smith was not the 2nd option on his team scoring wise. He was 3rd behind Harrington and Johnson. Also, perhaps the young guys just played more in the 2nd half because they started to play better(that is what makes them young players; because they develope). For the first half of the season, he practically split time with Childress which is why his first half of the season wasnt as good. Also, being a better help defender is a very good stat to have, because it shows that you are very aware of your surroundings. Josh Smith is bigger than Iggy so he wont be AS good as a on ball defender as Iggy. Also, with the style of ball that the Sixers play, steals are better fit in to the Sixers game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ May 1 2006, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, Josh Smith was not the 2nd option on his team scoring wise. He was 3rd behind Harrington and Johnson. Also, perhaps the young guys just played more in the 2nd half because they started to play better(that is what makes them young players; because they develope). For the first half of the season, he practically split time with Childress which is why his first half of the season wasnt as good. Also, being a better help defender is a very good stat to have, because it shows that you are very aware of your surroundings. Josh Smith is bigger than Iggy so he wont be AS good as a on ball defender as Iggy. Also, with the style of ball that the Sixers play, steals are better fit in to the Sixers game.</div>In the 2nd half of season, Smith was getting more FGA's than Harrington, and their scoring is about even. As for minutes, he started getting over 30min per game in December. I strongly believe the 2nd half they played the young players more to see what they have for the future, and possible rotations for next year (hawks have a VERY bright future). Look at his minutes per game after February 21st (all star weekend ends): http://www.nba.com/playerfile/josh_smith/g...game_stats.html I never said off the ball defending is bad, it can be very good. But on ball and locking down players, Iggy is your guy. It is like comparing a Ron Artest to Ben Wallace.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 1 2006, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In the 2nd half of season, Smith was getting more FGA's than Harrington, and their scoring is about even. As for minutes, he started getting over 30min per game in December. I strongly believe the 2nd half they played the young players more to see what they have for the future, and possible rotations for next year (hawks have a VERY bright future). Look at his minutes per game after February 21st (all star weekend ends): http://www.nba.com/playerfile/josh_smith/g...game_stats.html I never said off the ball defending is bad, it can be very good. But on ball and locking down players, Iggy is your guy. It is like comparing a Ron Artest to Ben Wallace.</div>Yes, but he didnt really start shooting alot in those games until March and April. I would imagine that it was a mixture of both seeing for next year and that they had nothing to lose by playing the youngER guys. If you want to compare Ben Wallace to Ron Artest and you are saying that Ben is a better off ball defender(which he is), he is the one getting recognized and winning all of the DPOY awards.
Ron Artest didn't win it this year because he missed at least 1/4 of the season, changed teams, and his rep. It really was a close call this year, between those 2, Bowen and AK-47, but the safe pick was to give it to the great defender on the best team in the league. It all depends on what your team needs most, and who you are playing. I think for the positions each play, Iggy being an on the ball defender is more effective as he can shutdown/slow down a Kobe Bryant, while Smith can't shutdown anyone one on one.
Iggy doesnt SHUT DOWN anyone, he more slows them down. And if Iggys defense is so great than how come their team scores the 2nd most in the league and they had near a .500 record? That doesnt make much sense. Back to the point, I think that it would be safe to say that both Smith and Iguodala will both have very bright futures. Im sure that we can both agree on that.
They did so poorly because of AI and CWebb not meshing. As for their defense, they had no inside presence, Korver and AI are weak defender, and Iggy was only good defender. I agree, both have very bright futures, but I see Iggy going further.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 1 2006, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They did so poorly because of AI and CWebb not meshing. As for their defense, they had no inside presence, Korver and AI are weak defender, and Iggy was only good defender. I agree, both have very bright futures, but I see Iggy going further.</div>Lets see Josh Smith in 3 years and Iggy next year and then see who has better seasons? then you will see what im seeing.
If AI or CWebb leave Philly, then I think it will be fair to compare seasons. But with either there, it is unfair, as both jack up more shots than Joe Johnson or Harrington.
