Andre Miller Underperformed in the Playoffs

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by BGrantFan, May 14, 2010.

  1. blazerboy30

    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    5,465
    Likes Received:
    423
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Does the fact that a player (Miller) draws the other team's full defensive attention and best defender carry any weight in your "analysis" / trolling about PER?
     
  2. BGrantFan

    BGrantFan Suspended

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,194
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Are you saying that Aldridge received none of the Suns' defensive attention, or even half of the attention?

    You're making excuses for Miller playing poorly. No matter the reason, he underperformed, which is the title of the fucking thread.

    Pointing out a basic fact that you disagree with is "trolling" to you. You're an odd one.
     
  3. blazerboy30

    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    5,465
    Likes Received:
    423
    Trophy Points:
    83
    False. You're comparing him to Blake, just like you did in the other thread before you started this one.

    Please answer the question:

    Does the fact that a player (Miller) draws the other team's full defensive attention and best defender carry any weight in your "analysis" about PER?
     
  4. BGrantFan

    BGrantFan Suspended

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,194
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I compared him to Blake because their numbers are similar. You can make excuses all day, but Andre Miller underperformed in the playoffs.
     
  5. blazerboy30

    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    5,465
    Likes Received:
    423
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Please answer the question:

    Does the fact that a player (Miller) draws the other team's full defensive attention and best defender carry any weight in your "analysis" about PER?
     
  6. BGrantFan

    BGrantFan Suspended

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,194
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Grant Hill has never been named to any All-Defensive team. It's not like Miller had Scottie Pippen defending him. lol
     
  7. blazerboy30

    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    5,465
    Likes Received:
    423
    Trophy Points:
    83
    You're not answering the question:

    Does the fact that a player (Miller) draws the other team's full defensive attention and best defender carry any weight in your "analysis" about PER?
     
  8. BGrantFan

    BGrantFan Suspended

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,194
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I disagree about Miller getting "full defensive attention", at least compared to LA (who was actually doubled teamed) but if you want to go there, a healthy Roy, who received Artest's and Battier's "full defensive attention" last year as the primary ballhandler, ended up with a PER of 25.9. Miller underformed compared to last year's player who got the "full defensive attention", and he got the "full defensive attention" of a hobbled Grant Hill. Miller can't shoot, so the oft-injured Hill was able to shut him down without even having to have help.

    Why won't you say that Miller underperformed? Please answer the question.
     
    Last edited: May 15, 2010
  9. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    26,226
    Likes Received:
    14,407
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    User Interface Designer
    Location:
    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I don't see how a player can magically become better. If they have that "two steps up" level, they should always be playing at it. What you're advocating is a player playing two steps down most of the time, so that they can raise their level. I don't think most players do that.
     
  10. blazerboy30

    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    5,465
    Likes Received:
    423
    Trophy Points:
    83
    :biglaugh:

    Yes, Miller underperformed compared to Brandon Roy in the playoffs last year. So did ~95% of the players in the league. Thanks for your contribution to the board.

    This thread was indeed necessary. Thanks for clearing up the confusion.
     
  11. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Be like Mike.

    Career 28.3 PPG, 27.9 PER
    Playoffs 33.4 PPG, 28.6 PER

    Be like LeBron
    Career 24.8 PPG, 26.9 PER
    Playoffs 28.6 PPG, 27.1 PER

    Amare
    Career 22.5 PPG, 22.6 PER
    Playoffs 24.1 PPG, 24.1 PER
     
    Last edited: May 15, 2010
  12. BGrantFan

    BGrantFan Suspended

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,194
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Andre Miller underperformed in the playoffs and couldn't elevate his game when Gentry put Grant Hill on him.

    We aren't winning a title with Andre Miller as the PG. Just because you refuse to blame Miller at all does not mean that he doesn't deserve some blame for his below-average performance in the playoffs.

    Thanks for your contribution to the board, which mainly seems to be badgering people into answering your strawman questions, and then mocking them for finally doing so.

    Did Andre Miller underperform in he playoffs. Yes/No. Answer the question, troll.
     
  13. BGrantFan

    BGrantFan Suspended

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,194
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yes, a moderator actually posted this.

    Grow up.
     
  14. BGrantFan

    BGrantFan Suspended

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,194
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Who deleted my reply to this poster, who originally called me a "dumbass?

    That's bush league.
     
    Last edited: May 15, 2010
  15. blazerboy30

    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    5,465
    Likes Received:
    423
    Trophy Points:
    83
    "Underperform" is a relative term. Underperform with respect to what?
     
  16. BGrantFan

    BGrantFan Suspended

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,194
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I completely disagree about LA being a "mediocre" 2nd option. He's a Top 45 PER player in the NBA, and #18 overall for players who average over 35 mpg. That production isn't "mediocre", considering his back-up is going to give you lower production. That said, was Denny upset when Pete Myers didn't elevate his game when Jordan retired?
     
    Last edited: May 15, 2010
  17. BGrantFan

    BGrantFan Suspended

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,194
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    With what he did in the regular season.
     
  18. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Actually, it became Pippen's team, and he did elevate his game. It wasn't enough.
     
  19. BGrantFan

    BGrantFan Suspended

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,194
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    0
    True, Scottie did elevate his game. He has an entire season to be "the man" though. You're blaming LA for being who is his, without a season to take a team on his shoulders. Not that I think he necessarily could, but he's more than a "mediocre" second option. If find that criticism not based on any available data.
     
  20. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    I didn't say anything about him being any kind of second option. Given that everyone knew that Roy was going to miss the playoffs, LMA had time to prepare himself to be THE GUY, but didn't step in and fill the void with Roy out.
     

Share This Page