Anfernee Simons trade destinations

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Where does Ant land?

  1. Spurs

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    15.9%
  2. Magic

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  3. Nets

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  4. Knicks

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  5. Jazz

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  6. Bulls

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  7. Other

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  8. Blazers 2024/25

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  1. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Well, we are going to play Sharpe and Deni and they can both shoot. Camara is at 34%.. and that's bound to improve.
     
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    Sending out Ant for draft capital doesn’t make sense to me.

    Haven’t we had high draft picks the last 3 drafts?

    Sharpe at 7
    Scoot at 3
    Cling at 7…


    That’s 3 guys already, how many more do you want?

    There an also the fact that there is no clue as what draft capital can get us in the future. It’s a risk.

    If you told me we are guaranteed to get a Tatum, a Embiid, a Luka in a future draft, then I’m all for it.

    But that pick could also become a Fultz, a Ben Simmons, a Oden. Heck remember Martell Webster, who we picked at 6th.

    There is enough young pieces on our team, let them grow for now. We should be hoping for big improvements from Sharpe and Scoot.
     
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    If you are talking potential weak areas in the roster that need to be addressed then that's great. We can address those needs through future draft picks and trades. The fact that you missed is that the only thing we need right now is to make sure we're putting our current prospects in the best positions to develop and acquiring as many additional assets to assist in the rebuild as we possibly can.

    Dude, you've already blown your credibility when it comes to Ant. You think he's close to Lauri Markkanen level in terms of value. So, I'll leave you to it. I'm glad Ant has a super fan in you. I don't think he helps the rebuild but I wouldn't just dump him. Hopefully our front office will find a deal that sends him somewhere to help that team win now and sends us great value in win later assets.
     
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    I think it's more the other way around when it comes to you guys trying to play GM and sending out Ant for some of the garbage I've seen on here. It's laughable
     
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    Well if you have about an 80% chance of not drafting an all star, even if you have a high lotto pick (which sounds about right to me), then I'd want 5 or 6 chances. Hopefully we'll nab 1 or 2 future all stars in that time (we'll certainly have the opportunity to do so), but we'll also get some good young pieces around them.

    If we don't get high lotto picks the next 2 or 3 drafts we're more than likely not going to contend before we have to rebuild again.

    Unfortunately that's just the way it is. That's the choice we made when we dealt Dame.
     
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    Well, if you want high draft picks in the next 2/3 drafts. No need to change the current squad, unless huge improvements from Scoot and Sharpe we are still a lottery team lol. Making our team worse, and putting our young guys in a even tougher spot, Scoot with no shooters for example and sending out Ant, our best shooter next to Grant, doesn't make any sense to me.
     
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    but that's true for every player. Apples to Apples. Career numbers are huge sample sizes that go a long way toward reducing statistical noise and eliminating skew.

    Ant is not some misunderstood victim of defensive metrics; he absolutely sucks at defense and we've all seen that for 6 seasons and 330 games. His defensive stats match all of the eyeball tests

    again, statistically he has been a net negative; and IMO, those stats point directly at what his impact actually is
     
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    For the life of me, I cannot understand why we don't have a three-guard rotation of Ant, Shae and Scoot. That's 96 minutes per game or 32 mpg if we don't rotate anyone else in. There's room for all three.
     
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    Because Ant can't (or doesn't care to) defend any position at an NBA level.
     
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    And is a SG trapped in a PGs body.
     
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    Agree 100%...The problem seems to be selling Ant on being the 6th man. While it could be 1 of the other 2, Ant makes the most sense. He is a ball-dominant scorer, who fits best with the hustling defensive minded second unit. It seems to be obvious.
     
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    Good luck. And when he doesn't accept that role (because why would he accept that role on a celler dwelling team?), we will have hurt his trade value and will receive far less in return when we do move him.

    The time to get max value for Ant is now.
     
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    Somewhat related, I was listening to NBA radio today talking about that subject. (specifically regarding the Cavs) I think it was Antonio Daniels who said he could count the number of true PGs in the NBA these days on one hand. Most now are "lead guards" but not "point guards".
     
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    And that is a reasonable perspective. I happen to really like the way this team is constructed, and I would love to see what it's capable of when they are fully aligned.
     
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    I think it's too early to start thinking about winning. We still need to add more talent. Which means get as much draft capital in exchange for guys (who aren't ideal but have value) as possible.

    This is time to strike for Grant and Ant, IMO.

    Not the end of the world if we keep them... But I'd expect diminishing returns for both, especially after the all star break.
     
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    Billups needs to tell Simons we want to try him off the bench to give Scoot starting minutes. He will continue to get 30 plus a night. He can become our Jordon Clarkson if he doesn't accept it do it anyway.
     
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    Clarkson's highest salary will be 14.3M in 2025-26. That season Simons will make 27.7M
     
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    Cronin needs to make room for Simons max extension. Any moves from here to 2026 must incorporate Ant's 4yr ~160m.
     
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    very interesting…
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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