Anfernee Simons trade destinations

lol good catch

 

Yeah, Simons overpaid. Still young and JC is 32.

 

They seem to trend accurately overall, but there is a LOT more noise in defensive stats than offensive. Too much noise to compare the numbers like Wiz did.

People think it's cool to say "defense wins championships" but in this era of NBA basketball, offense is more important. If you sort every team in the nba by offensive rating, then defensive rating, you'll see success tracks more closely with offense.

 

Erm, is that supposed to be an argument against Ant?

 

Celtics were 11-0 in playoffs when holding teams under 100.

Boston couldn't hold Pacers under 100, but Indy played some damn good basketball, and they still got swept by the Celtics 2-way style of play.

 

The Celtics had the #1 offense in the NBA too.

If you look at the average winning percentage of the top 10 offensive teams, vs the top 10 defensive teams, the top offensive teams are quite a bit better. There is also a larger gap between the top offense and bottom offense team, so the quality of your offense dictates how many points you score more than the defense you face.

 

c'mon man...I didn't just compare defensive numbers. I simply used a couple of gauges that use both types of metrics. Players spend as much time on defense as they do on offense so you can't ignore those numbers. Yes, rotations and roster construction matter, but using the sample sizes of career numbers goes a damn long way in dialing down the 'noise'

and lets be clear about something here. YOU were the one that opened the door to that particular discussion when you tried to justify Ant's shitty defense by comparing him to Harden, Dame, and Doncic (after arguing that Donovan Mitchell was only a "smidge" better than Ant). It's true...they are poor defenders, but they do much much more on the other end of the floor than Ant does.

By the way, Dame-Harden-Doncic have combined for 23 all-star games and 19 all-NBA selections. You might want to lower your target range for future Ant comparisons.

 

How do you know he won't be cool with coming off the bench? Ant has spent more time coming off the bench than he has starting in his career.

 

Is it bound to improve? You listed Sharpe, did you realize you put your foot in your mouth since Sharpe has actually regressed from 36% on 3's in his first year to 33% last year?

So don't be so quick to assume Camara will improve. Sharpe didn't so there goes another debunk what what you "assume"

 

I always look at talent using the definition of "the natural endowments of a person".

Given that, I am not sure that the Dame/CJ group was more talented, it certainly had more "actualized" talent in the form of skill / experience gained through hard work and luck (injury).

In a perfect world where the Sharpe / Scoot group works hard and manage to develop and actualize their talent, I think they can achieve more because the talent is there, simply because of the athletic ability and size.

 

I'm saying those defensive stat may be able to tell you if someone should be categorized as a good/mediocre/poor defender, but precisely ranking them within those categories is a lot more dubious, because it's a low-fi stat.

I don't put much stock in all-star appearances. I think Ant is on the cusp of being one of the elite scorers in the league. You're allowed to suck on defense if you're a top scorer, and a team can afford to have at least 1 such player, just as a defensive specialist who can't score is ok if surrounded by enough offense.

 

Question for all of you who are antsy to trade Ant:

Hypothetically, let's say we didn't get the #3 spot to draft Scoot, and we got one of the Thompson twins. Would you still be eager to deal/upgrade Simons, or would you have him penciled in as being the probable PG of our new core, like Sharpe at SG?

I see Simons as being on a similar trajectory as Damian Lillard. Very good offensively, fair play maker, bad defense. The issue is surrounding him with enough talent.

 

Simons is not Dame. Full stop.

But if we didn’t have Scoot, there would be no reason to move Simons.

 

just to remind....Ant is 25 and will be entering his 7th season as a small guard. It's extremely rare for NBA players like him to make big leaps upward in their 7th, 8th & 9th seasons; and even rarer for them to significantly improve defensively

last season, among 'qualified' NBA players, he finished

* TS% - 126th out of 193
* PER - 87th out of 185
* eFG% - 108th out of 140
* Assist Rate - 30th out of 185 (tied with D'Angelo Russell and Kelly Olynyk)
* OBPM - 32nd out of 185
* BPM - 95th out of 185
* winshares/48 - 146th out of 185

* DBPM - 183rd out of 185
* defensive rating - 523rd out of 572

that doesn't looks like a player on the cusp of being elite; looks like on the cusp of being a little above average. Again, Ant has played 6 seasons. After 6 seasons, Dame had been in 3 all-star games and been named all-NBA three times including all-NBA-1st-team. It's wild to claim those are similar trajectories

maybe the problem is the definition of 'elite'. You seem to have a real loose standard for elite, at least when it comes to Simons

 

I just hope that Ant can become a net-positive player.
I still have my doubts on that.

 

1. Imagine using stats from his couple season when he barley played or was playing garbage time minutes

2. Those stats are so meaningless is laughable. And I can tell you teams 100% don’t look at that to gauge a player offensively or defensively.

3. what one player has around him players wise will also determine how those stats, so they don’t tell the whole story.

Keep rambling

 

are you dense?

those numbers you quoted were from last season

 

You have posted his career stats before here.

also, do you know the whole blazer team was 27th in team defense last year?

What crappy stats you are pulling out, like I said teams dont look at those stats to gauge a player offensively of defensively.

BPM? Box plus minus lmao..

DBPM? Defensive Box Plus Minus is the most flawed stats around lmao.

OBPM? Come on, a lot of what you posted always is a big part of team defense. So of course if you pull up stats on a player on a bad defensive team, their stats wont look so good either.

How about you show us Scoot stats? lmao..I also bet you most people don't even understand what those stats mean, BPM and etc.

Continue on negative Nancy's, you people always looking for a scapegoat every season.

Please show us Scoot stats too, lets see it. Will see how faulted those stats are since Scoot will have similar or even worse stats.

 

Remember that Ant came out in HS. When Dame was 24 and 25 his TS% was 56%, and Ant has already exceeded that. You can clearly see the ability.

And there is a difference between comparing the TS% of players that are the focus of opposing defenses, and expected to carry the load, vs role players who are able to pick their spots.

 

Ask him to show us Scoot stats as well. It will be the same or similar, guess that means Scoot is a horrible defender too right guys?

You can’t really use just stats to determine how good a player is defensively. It’s a lot of things that don’t go in a box score

Also defensive rating is a better metric to use for a team’s defense rather than an individual’s, because sometimes an individual’s defensive rating can be affected by the defenders around them