Wasn't the official training of course. Just what senior guys would tell us newbies. I never drew my weapon, glad I never had to. Used that stick a couple times to protect my partners, but that was it.
There's a lot of stuff available about the danger of someone with an edged weapon within 21 feet. The last video is actually really good.
There are fly knifes that look like an closed "multi-purpose tool". An he wasn't holding it out for them to examing in good lighting. If you don't drop your weapon, even if you're just pretending it's a weapon, it'll be viewed by the officer as signaling hostile intent, as will continuing to approach an officer with that weapon in hand when they tell you to stop. Scout was intentionally trying to get them to shoot him. I wouldn't expect an officer to not react in self defense, just in case their assailant is bluffing. They can't afford to take that gamble. Would you if it were your own skin on the line? In this case, the officer that shot him could have continued to back up though, just like the officer did in the middle of the frame. I heard a report that they did not have tasers....so maybe they were not armed with pepper spray either, but having no non-lethal options is a problem.
Yes, this is true, of course, it is a bit of a different ball game if the officer already has their gun trained on him. But many people in general, underestimate the danger of a knife. In movies, and in self defense classes for that matter, people make long awkward swiping motions with a knife which are easy to dodge. This is what a real knife attack is like:
Another thing law enforcement has to keep in mind is that their rounds are not necessarily going to stop someone dead in their tracks. That's the way it works in the movies, you shoot someone and the crumple to the ground and die, but if someone is whacked out and charging at them they can deliver some life threatening blows even after being shot in certain places. I mean...the message that gets lost in these incidents, is don't fuck with the police. If they believe you are armed, and they are telling you to stop or whatever, just fucking do what they say. Don't mess around.
Depending on whose weilding a knifeand the elememt of surprise it can be just as dangerous as a gun. See the guys who got stabbed to death by the crazy guy on the max That said, this guy was several feet away, and his blade wasn't drawn. If the cop saw it, there was no elemement of surprise and if he were properly trained he could could have easily sidestepped a coming swipe, disarmed, and disabled the suspect. Too, the guy called in saying he was suicidal. These university security guards aren't trained for such confrontations. Probably more panicking going on then thinking
This was a not a male, it was a confused Gender intersex binary individual who was having a mental breakdown, probably due to their gender identity. Suicide by police.
All of that is AMERICAN BULLSHIT. This is how they handle knife wielders in other countries. 21 foot rule my ass.
Why should they? If you pull a knife on a cop, why should they put their lives at risk to keep you alive? If someone pulled a knife on you, would you aim for their legs or arms?
These guys cut you some slack Brian. I posted the same thing in regard to that attacker on the Max a few month back. Damn! They were all aghast! Comment like, the one to the head will make it hard to prove self defense.
Because all life matters. Even the mentally ill guy that's wielding a knife. He needs help. Not to be killed.
Exactly this. You don't execute someone because they may be mentally unstable. While the guy may have ultimately been a threat, he wasn't close enough to an officer to reach him with the knife, he wasn't wielding the knife in any kind of attack pose, and a gun vs. knife is overkill when he could have been tazed from plenty of distance. This isn't military rules of engagement. The cops are supposed to serve and PROTECT.
All of you in here who advocate shooting the knife holding suspect have probably ALL used the idiom: "Bring a knife to a gunfight". Y'all always talk about "we need to do something about mental health" But really, you don't want to do SHIT about it.
Denny, and this is really hard for me to say, I think we have to understand that some people want these mentally ill people to be killed. Some people truly believe in survival of the fittest. And I think there are some here who believe this too. And some of them are the same ones that will shout "ALL LIVES MATTER"...
