<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ May 24 2007, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think taking Conley at 3 is ridiculous. This draft defiently lacks PGs...but neither are worthy of 3rd overall pick. But I just htink Acie Law is the better player and will be a better pro. But thats just me, the only reason Conley is scouted higher than Acie Law is because he was the guy with Oden who got Ohio St. to the Championship Game. But before, Conley was being projected as a mid to late 1st rnd pick as Acie Law was top 14..which most consider lottery.</div> Well no kidding Acie Law is a better player right now, Acie Law was a senior this year and had 3 more years of college experience. If Mike Conley would stay at OSU for 3 more years, I think he's clearly a better player than Acie Law if they came out together as seniors. The only reason Conley was scouted higher was because of Oden? Hardly, Mike Conley's just a better prospect. If anything, Oden held him back in HS because so many people thought Conley was just a creation of Greg Oden, which has been proven false this year. I just think your flat out wrong. When you look at Acie Law his first two seasons in college and look at Conley's first season, Conley is clearly the better player.
BCB did you even read the explanation? What was the main reason the Hornets sucked A** this season? Because chris Paul was injured. Its like how the Nets drafted Marcus Williams to back up Jkidd, the Hornets need a backup PG too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ May 26 2007, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BCB did you even read the explanation? What was the main reason the Hornets sucked A** this season? Because chris Paul was injured. Its like how the Nets drafted Marcus Williams to back up Jkidd, the Hornets need a backup PG too.</div> There's a difference. The Nets have a 34 year old PG and 2 all-stars on the wings. Last time I looked, the Hornets have more holes to fill than the Nets do. You don't draft a backup PG in the lottery when you can simply sign a backup PG in FA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 26 2007, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well no kidding Acie Law is a better player right now, Acie Law was a senior this year and had 3 more years of college experience. If Mike Conley would stay at OSU for 3 more years, I think he's clearly a better player than Acie Law if they came out together as seniors. The only reason Conley was scouted higher was because of Oden? Hardly, Mike Conley's just a better prospect. If anything, Oden held him back in HS because so many people thought Conley was just a creation of Greg Oden, which has been proven false this year. I just think your flat out wrong. When you look at Acie Law his first two seasons in college and look at Conley's first season, Conley is clearly the better player.</div>I never said Conley is scouted high because of Oden, what I was refering to is if Acie Law had Oden, he probably would by scouted higher for the simple fact they wouldve gotten to the Championship game together. When Oden was out, Conley still kept Ohio St. a top team in the nation. I just think Acie will be, and is suited better for the NBA. I know its all about potential etc, but sometimes you should take the player whos better then. Like I said, I dont think either are worthy of 3rd overall. ATL shouldbe just taken Marcus Williams last year. And you cant always compare seasons to each other cause you have to look at the team which surrounded them, the type of play it was etc. If Conley never got to the Championship game or the Final Four, I dont think we would be talking about him being 3rd overall pick.You cant deny success in the tourney doesn't help your stock, cause it does. I just think Conley isnt a clean cut decision yet, teams are still going to look at Acie Law before they automaticly take Conley.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ May 26 2007, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I never said Conley is scouted high because of Oden, what I was refering to is if Acie Law had Oden, he probably would by scouted higher for the simple fact they wouldve gotten to the Championship game together. When Oden was out, Conley still kept Ohio St. a top team in the nation. I just think Acie will be, and is suited better for the NBA. I know its all about potential etc, but sometimes you should take the player whos better then. Like I said, I dont think either are worthy of 3rd overall. ATL shouldbe just taken Marcus Williams last year. And you cant always compare seasons to each other cause you have to look at the team which surrounded them, the type of play it was etc. If Conley never got to the Championship game or the Final Four, I dont think we would be talking about him being 3rd overall pick.You cant deny success in the tourney doesn't help your stock, cause it does. I just think Conley isnt a clean cut decision yet, teams are still going to look at Acie Law before they automaticly take Conley.</div> People said the same things about Chris Paul after his freshman season. That he needed to come back, he did, and look what he did. I think Mike Conley is a top 5 player, outside of the top 3, there's really no better prospect than him. I think you can safely say that Conley has the talent to be a top 10 PG in the NBA, I don't think you can say the same for Hoford, Noah..etc...Tourny success has helped a lot of the people in the top 15 picks. What Conley did in the tourney should help his stock because it shows that he ups his game when it counts. I just think it's common sense, up until this season, Acie Law was just a good PG, I think Conley individually was better this year than Law's first 3 seasons in college basketball.
But you cant compare players like that. Compare somebodys freshman season to somebodys senior season isnt a good way to evaluate a player. You have to look at how they play, who has a stronger mentality, who CAN improve more etc. Look at Brandon Roy, he was a senior when he came out, and Ty Thomas was a freshman when he came out. Whos better? Who probbaly will be better? Brandon Roy. And alot like Conley, Tyrus Thomas stock went up becuase of the tourney. Drafting players isnt always about potential, its the way you feel, after watching them, will be better and will grow more.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ May 26 2007, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But you cant compare players like that. Compare somebodys freshman season to somebodys senior season isnt a good way to evaluate a player. You have to look at how they play, who has a stronger mentality, who CAN improve more etc. Look at Brandon Roy, he was a senior when he came out, and Ty Thomas was a freshman when he came out. Whos better? Who probbaly will be better? Brandon Roy. And alot like Conley, Tyrus Thomas stock went up becuase of the tourney. Drafting players isnt always about potential, its the way you feel, after watching them, will be better and will grow more.</div> The Tyrus/Roy is a bad comparison, but I see what your getting at. I could see your point better if Mike Conley was more raw, but when I look at senior who has B potential who didn't really come on until he was a senior, and I look at a freshman with A potential who had a very solid rookie year, and probably played better his freshman year than that senior did his first few years....I give the freshman the benefit of the doubt, and considering the kind of player Conley is, I give him the benefit of the doubt....I don't do that all the time, but for this situation, Conley/Law I do.
Talking about Acie Law's first year is pretty pointless, BCB. Conley got over 8 minutes more per game his freshman year. Acie didn't have nearly as much time on the court to even make a difference. That's kind of a stupid argument there. I'm not saying that Conley can't/won't be better, but comparing their freshman years is retarded. Acie's year was a role coming off the bench for a team that was ZERO AND SIXTEEN in the Big 12, while Conley had a starting role right out of the gate playing for team that was one win away from a national title. Of course he's going to have better stats.Also, as I understand it, Acie was considering transferring from A&M, but somehow ended up staying when Gillispie got here (thank God x2). It certainly seems that he has gotten better as a player under BG.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ May 26 2007, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There's a difference. The Nets have a 34 year old PG and 2 all-stars on the wings. Last time I looked, the Hornets have more holes to fill than the Nets do. You don't draft a backup PG in the lottery when you can simply sign a backup PG in FA.</div> Bingo. Especially when the players available to you fill a need and are even better prospects than Acie Law in the first place. Jeff Green could fall there, Al Thornton could fall there, Thaddeus Young will probably be there. Better prospects than Law, and they fill a need at the same time. No point in taking Law when you have Chris Paul and Bobby Jackson.
Spencer Hawes won't fall to the Pistons, but I love what the writer has for the Pistons: Hawes and Morris Almond.Crittenton to the Bobcats is stupid. The team has Felton and Knight already.If Conley isn't picked third, I would think that Milwaukee would draft him, but Minnesota would die for Conley. Near perfect fit in my opinion. Best backcourt in the West for years to come, with Foye and Conley.Rush removed his name, so I expect the Clippers to draft Derrick Byars if available. Although, Spencer Hawes might fit in pretty well with Los Angeles.Thaddeus Young will go sooner than 23.BCB, you pmed me that Jeff Green was returning. I guess not...The Celtics will pick Jianlian, if he is available.Imagine a frontcourt of Iguodala, Thorton, and Dalambert in Philly., with Andre Miller and Willie Green. So much athletic ability in the lineup.I'd still love to see Julian Wright go to Milwaukee.
hawks taking young makes perfect sense the last couple of years they made the weirdest picks so why not this year
