OT Anthem Politics

Showed my hand lol

Like anyone is ever going to talk you down from the hatred that you feel towards white people. You're a bigot. I don't hold any bad feelings towards black people at all, but you clearly hold bad feelings towards "white people."

 

I've met dviss....he doesn't hate me or my son...he hates white priviledge..not white people. I'm sure plenty of Jews hated Nazis but not necessarily all German people as they were also German people just as we are all Americans. The practice of racial superiority is alive in the world even if slavery is abolished. What dviss brings to the conversation keeps a new generation of American subculture from backsliding into old white priviledge habits and attitudes. We all sensationalize our passions from time to time but I celebrate the fact that I can have these conversations with people from different demographics and cultures to try to find some balance in our common homeland. dviss bitching about white priviledge is like me bitching about Donald Trump or Raymond Felton....I have strong opinions about both of them.

 

I think you are being extremely defensive about this for the sake of debate.....those historical travesties were in fact the product of white privilege and power

 

I don't agree with personal insults from either side...calling a forum member a racist or a bigot is a personal insult...that door swings both ways but it's also a signal that two people are blowing up a problem, talking about each other and not really the issue at hand...that's not unusual but there's a lesson to learn from it.

 

for the record...armies are composed of several sub groups....people joining for a cause..people who are joining for citizenship....people who join for money or spoils...mercenaries.....any of these folks can stem from multiple racial backgrounds. Armies conquered and enslaved but it was more about haves and have nots than racial hatred....Chinese, Indians, Africans and Europeans all kept slaves and practiced genocide at one time or another throughout history....our own history is just a more recent wound

 

The problem is people would rather call the people who call out privilege, racism, and systemic white supremecy racists instead of actually dealing with said isms. These people are what perpetuates the problem.

 

He and I have been arguing about this for a long time. It's not a recent thing. I'm not disputing that slavery was a product of white privilege and power, but I'm going to argue that the death of 80 million (that's not even a verified number) American Indians was "murder," because that number represents the indigenous population across the Americas as a whole. A large portion of that number had died from disease before most of the white settlers had even gotten here. I have read books that said most of the original settlers got to North America and found land that was cleared and fertile, but nobody to be found. Empty villages. They had no idea what had happened. They actually thought that God had provided these lands for them. It's not like it was some huge effort by white settlers to wipe out all the natives, which is how he is presenting it.

The way that this country treated the natives that remained was horrible and unforgivable. Hell, the way that we're treating the native people in North Dakota is horrible and shameful. I have never said otherwise. Similarly, slavery and segregation were horrible horrible things that were done with government consent. Again, I'm not excusing that or condoning it in any way. They were awful things that need to be taught and remembered.

But I'm going to disagree with anyone who tries to compare almost any other horrible event with the Holocaust. In terms of horrible events in history, few things rival the Holocaust. Over a span of just a few years, Hitler and the Nazis were able to almost completely wipe out an entire race of people in Europe. They gassed and shot and starved and burned and hung 11 million people between 1941-1945. And this was so recent that there are still people alive who experienced it.

 

It also clearly separates those who care and those who really don't give a shit. If you call someone a racist for exposing racism you're part of the problem.

 

I don't care if Sly deletes every word that I post. I'm going to call it like I see it.

You missed a few sly. You're slipping.