Anyone eyeballing Sunday's game vs. the Clips?

I think Fish needs to stop picking up stupid fouls, we really needed him in that Bucks game. I think you're right about the ball movement thing Custodian, the offense seems so stagnant in the game. I saw for most of th time the shout clock was down to single digits before they even tried to dish the ball or make a move, bad time management. Really, I can't wait to see Ike play PF and Murph play C. They can really stretch the D and open up alot of lanes.

 

I'm going to the W's game with the Clippers on Sunday. Is anyone else going to be there?
As far as the Clips go, I think Dunn's Daddy is a good coach and Sam Cassell does make a difference. Remember he is on his best behavior, its a contract year.
They need to have a first quarter like last night so these So. Cal fans will be quiet (as usual). That way I can concentrate on Sterling vs Cohan and Baylor vs Mullin. If any other W's fans are there look for me, I'll be the only other one not talking on a cell phone.

 

Dun's daddy will give Jr. a beating if he does well. Lets hope Jr. isn't scared to score against his fathers team.

 

There were 6 or 7 other teams we've played so far that Dunleavy shouldn't be scared of shooting the ball because his dad wasn't the coach of those teams. I don't think that's his problem. His problem was he was drafted high, he's been a consistently inconsistent player since day 1 and he's been paid a lot of money for what he's shown. He's trying to play team ball instead of one on one and he's got a confidence problem. If there was market value, I doubt he'd get paid as much as Tayshaun Prince. Look at what Prince has on his resume compared to Dunleavy. So it could be there is definite pressure to live up to it, he just doesn't want to make excuses and say he's pressing. He says he's not, but he's probably pressing. Now he's just too afraid to hurt the team so he ends up trying to play within himself, rather than increase his offense.

Dunleavy is what he is. A guy that can create his shot and pass and dribble like a playmaker, if it were against old ladies. In the nba, he can't really break anyone down unless they're prone to biting on jukes and fakes. Also his shot is nowhere near Peja, Dirk, Bird or anybody he's been compared to since his Duke days. If he is a late bloomer we'll see, but man his game is so ugly right now.

 

Say he didn't get the extension, what would he be worth at the end of the year? Even with a good year, not even 44 mil I'd think. The only way I'll be remotely satisfied with the extension is if Mullin admitted he made a mistake. Cause damn, if he's not kicking himself in the ass, we'll see more dumba$$ signings in the future.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Say he didn't get the extension, what would he be worth at the end of the year? Even with a good year, not even 44 mil I'd think. The only way I'll be remotely satisfied with the extension is if Mullin admitted he made a mistake. Cause damn, if he's not kicking himself in the ass, we'll see more dumba$$ signings in the future.</div>
I'd probably think he would get Marko Jaric type money at market value. 5 mil increasing to 7 mil per year over 6 years. I think that's fair. That's a very tradeable contract and versatility is always a plus. Some of Dunleavy's best games were playing positions that wasn't at small forward.

Mully probably signed him out of love, the fact he improves and works hard, the fact he could be a nightmare mismatch. He also has some things that can't really be taught like court vision, soft touch, equal use of hand while passing, dribbling, laying the ball in the basket. He's probably had some moments in practice where he drills shot after shot after shot and never misses. But in actual game time he can't do it because he's not physically competitive, confident or brave enough to handle the pressure. Crap if the NBA wasn't such a physically competitive game, I bet all of us could have a shot at the nba. That's why unless Mike Dunleavy Jr. can demonstrate at least some kind of lights out shooting touch, it'll be hard for him draw in defenders or to be noticed for anything on the floor except for pushing the ball some and passing. His passing isn't that spectacular unless he's moving with the ball or other people are moving without the ball. We'll probably see him get better and have more impact once the W's develop a good passing game. #1 he's not aggressive enough #2 he's just really soft outside of taking charges

Also, the other plus about Dunleavy is his size. He's 6'9 or 6'10, but he plays like he's 5'9 or 5'10. I'd rather have a 6'5 small forward that can play bigger than he is because a big guy that plays small is just disappointing. If he can develop a post game that would be nice, but not once has he done that yet. The guy couldn't post up a can of coke it seems.

Dunleavy will break the slump. At least he showed up in the 4th quarter of last game rather than not at all or only in the first half.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Say he didn't get the extension, what would he be worth at the end of the year? Even with a good year, not even 44 mil I'd think. The only way I'll be remotely satisfied with the extension is if Mullin admitted he made a mistake. Cause damn, if he's not kicking himself in the ass, we'll see more dumba$$ signings in the future.</div>

Well, so far, Mullin has signed Foyle, Murphy, and J-Rich to extended contracts. Everyone questioned his motives except the J-Rich signing, but look at how it has panned out.

I would say give Mullin the benefit of the doubt as pretty much every one of his moves has benefitted the team. Perhaps not immediately, but they have turned out to be good moves. Even Derek Fisher.

If you look at Foyle, his contract may be pretty big, but who else is there? Would you rather have Dampier? Hell no! Look at what that scrub is doing now that he has a fat contract. At least the team we have now works hard to try to earn their money. I think Dunleavy falls into that category.

While you can't compare a big contract of an NBA center to an NBA SF, the circumstances are similar in that what may seem like a very high number now, may not be so high down the road. So, to answer your question, Dunleavy's worth at the end of the season could be more than $44mm.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kensaku:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, so far, Mullin has signed Foyle, Murphy, and J-Rich to extended contracts. Everyone questioned his motives except the J-Rich signing, but look at how it has panned out.

I would say give Mullin the benefit of the doubt as pretty much every one of his moves has benefitted the team. Perhaps not immediately, but they have turned out to be good moves. Even Derek Fisher.

If you look at Foyle, his contract may be pretty big, but who else is there? Would you rather have Dampier? Hell no! Look at what that scrub is doing now that he has a fat contract. At least the team we have now works hard to try to earn their money. I think Dunleavy falls into that category.

While you can't compare a big contract of an NBA center to an NBA SF, the circumstances are similar in that what may seem like a very high number now, may not be so high down the road. So, to answer your question, Dunleavy's worth at the end of the season could be more than $44mm.</div>
Foyle, Fish you know what to expect. Jrich and Murph were doing pretty well scoring and rebounding before getting re-upped.

Dunleavy is a pure enigma. What was he famous for before the contract? He's consistently inconsistent. He says he'll try to do what the team needs him to do whether it be rebounding, boxing out, making the extra pass, making a hustle play, taking a charge, etc. and a lot of times he can't do what we need him to do most which is stay in front of his man and hit shots. Successful college guys like Danny Ferry, Bobby Hurley, Trajan Langdon, William Avery and others don't always make it. It's like if JJ Reddick got drafted. Chances are he wouldn't be as good as he is against college guys in a college system. Maybe Dunleavy has tools to make him valuable off the bench, but as a starter, I don't think much of him at small forward.

 

San Francisco Chronicle
Dunleavys celebrate Pacific family feud

Janny Hu, Chronicle Staff Writer

Sunday, November 20, 2005

Los Angeles -- The Dunleavy family reunion has a different feel this holiday season. For the first time since Mike Dunleavy Jr. was drafted by the Warriors, he takes on his father, Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy Sr., in a game pitting the top two teams in the Pacific Division.

That's right, today's matinee features the first-place Clippers (7-2) against the second-place Warriors (6-4). The circumstances are unfamiliar for both father and son, but especially for the elder Dunleavy, who has Los Angeles off to its best start in franchise history.

"It's always nice to see him do well," the Warriors' Dunleavy said. "This summer, with the moves they made, people didn't know what they were going to be like. But he was pretty confident when I talked to him that they were going to be pretty good.

"And they are."

The Warriors have a cornucopia of praise for their southern rivals, and not just because the Clippers scored their first-ever sweep of Golden State last season. Since then, Los Angeles has reinvented itself by signing free agent guard Cuttino Mobley and trading for veteran Sam Cassell.

The two have been terrific together in the backcourt, despite concerns over egos and encroachment. Cassell, 36, is playing like he's rejuvenated after a down year in Minnesota, and Mobley wants stability as he plays for his fourth team in three seasons.

Mr. Consistency, Elton Brand, leads the team with 23.3 points and 10 rebounds per game, and forward Corey Maggette is back in the starting lineup after being limited by a sore hamstring.

Just how impressive is the roster?

"I think they're legit, I really do," said Warriors coach Mike Montgomery.

"You look at them, and they're doing everything they're supposed to," added point guard Baron Davis.

Davis, a Los Angeles native, even calls the Clippers the most talented team in the Pacific, top to bottom. And when given a chance to include the Warriors in that comparison, he politely declined.

"What they have is more veterans, more guys who have more experience in the league and have actually played in playoffs games and things like that," Davis said. "So they're a little more advanced than we are at this point."

Montgomery maintains he isn't looking to establish any early season markers, but Davis said today's game is a good measuring stick for Golden State. The Clippers represent the best team the Warriors have faced to date, and with usual Pacific Division stalwarts like Sacramento and the Lakers struggling, the path to the playoffs is wide open.

Which, of course, only adds another twist to the Dunleavy get-together.

"We're both fighting for the same things," Dunleavy Jr. said. "I wish we could be doing it together, but we're not. We're in the same division, same conference. We're probably going to be competing for those same spots."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...SPGS5FRF2J1.DTL

After signing the fat contract, W's fans wish you were doing it together with your Daddy too.

 

San Francisco Chronicle
Dunleavys celebrate Pacific family feud

Janny Hu, Chronicle Staff Writer

Sunday, November 20, 2005

Los Angeles -- The Dunleavy family reunion has a different feel this holiday season. For the first time since Mike Dunleavy Jr. was drafted by the Warriors, he takes on his father, Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy Sr., in a game pitting the top two teams in the Pacific Division.

That's right, today's matinee features the first-place Clippers (7-2) against the second-place Warriors (6-4). The circumstances are unfamiliar for both father and son, but especially for the elder Dunleavy, who has Los Angeles off to its best start in franchise history.

"It's always nice to see him do well," the Warriors' Dunleavy said. "This summer, with the moves they made, people didn't know what they were going to be like. But he was pretty confident when I talked to him that they were going to be pretty good.

"And they are."

The Warriors have a cornucopia of praise for their southern rivals, and not just because the Clippers scored their first-ever sweep of Golden State last season. Since then, Los Angeles has reinvented itself by signing free agent guard Cuttino Mobley and trading for veteran Sam Cassell.

The two have been terrific together in the backcourt, despite concerns over egos and encroachment. Cassell, 36, is playing like he's rejuvenated after a down year in Minnesota, and Mobley wants stability as he plays for his fourth team in three seasons.

Mr. Consistency, Elton Brand, leads the team with 23.3 points and 10 rebounds per game, and forward Corey Maggette is back in the starting lineup after being limited by a sore hamstring.

Just how impressive is the roster?

"I think they're legit, I really do," said Warriors coach Mike Montgomery.

"You look at them, and they're doing everything they're supposed to," added point guard Baron Davis.

Davis, a Los Angeles native, even calls the Clippers the most talented team in the Pacific, top to bottom. And when given a chance to include the Warriors in that comparison, he politely declined.

"What they have is more veterans, more guys who have more experience in the league and have actually played in playoffs games and things like that," Davis said. "So they're a little more advanced than we are at this point."

Montgomery maintains he isn't looking to establish any early season markers, but Davis said today's game is a good measuring stick for Golden State. The Clippers represent the best team the Warriors have faced to date, and with usual Pacific Division stalwarts like Sacramento and the Lakers struggling, the path to the playoffs is wide open.

Which, of course, only adds another twist to the Dunleavy get-together.

"We're both fighting for the same things," Dunleavy Jr. said. "I wish we could be doing it together, but we're not. We're in the same division, same conference. We're probably going to be competing for those same spots."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...SPGS5FRF2J1.DTL

After signing the fat contract, W's fans wish you were doing it together with your Daddy too.

 

Sorry about the double post.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bayareafan85:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry about the double post.</div>
You can always delete double posts.

Thx for the article. Hopefully that article has jinxed the Clippers today.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bayareafan85:</div><div class="quote_post">

After signing the fat contract, W's fans wish you were doing it together with your Daddy too.</div>

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Foyle, Fish you know what to expect. Jrich and Murph were doing pretty well scoring and rebounding before getting re-upped.

Dunleavy is a pure enigma. What was he famous for before the contract? He's consistently inconsistent. He says he'll try to do what the team needs him to do whether it be rebounding, boxing out, making the extra pass, making a hustle play, taking a charge, etc. and a lot of times he can't do what we need him to do most which is stay in front of his man and hit shots. Successful college guys like Danny Ferry, Bobby Hurley, Trajan Langdon, William Avery and others don't always make it. It's like if JJ Reddick got drafted. Chances are he wouldn't be as good as he is against college guys in a college system. Maybe Dunleavy has tools to make him valuable off the bench, but as a starter, I don't think much of him at small forward.</div>

Fisher was signed with the intent of him being our STARTER, so I wouldn't say we knew what we'd be getting from him. He was never starter material to begin with, so I'd say he's lucky he has Baron Davis as a teammate now.

I'm not disagreeing with you about Dunleavy but I'm just wondering...what do YOU expect him to do?

I've stated my expectations: 15 ppg, 5 rpg, 45% FG.

 

As much as I have been disappointed by Dun's offensive performance thus far, I have been very impressed with his defensive performance. I expect Dun to come out of his funk and average near 15ppg while playing good defense...