Religion Are Christians believing in life outside Earth compatible?

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Are Christians believing in life outside Earth compatible?

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  1. crowTrobot

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    The current state of socially evolved common sense behavior that most Christians use to form an external moral standard which they compare the Bible against (not the other way round).
     
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    Would that be anything different than the scientists that used to think the world was flat, then changed their views when evidence presented itself? Or maybe something's could travel faster than the speed of light if new evidence supported that theory? Maybe we discover a "multiverse", which could completely change the ideology of the Big Bang?

    Or maybe the "world-view" that accepted slavery years ago, only to evolve and understand its inhumanity?

    Fact is, there is nothing wrong with evolving your belief as new evidence presence itself. You can have the same "foundational" belief, just like a scientist can use the same scientific method, but change as new evidence changes.
     
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    It's not different from how science operates, but most religious people don't think of their religious belief this way. You are somewhat unique in that regard I guess.

    Also as an irrelevant note it's probably inaccurate to say "scientists" used to think the world was flat. Most students of nature going back to Aristotle or further concluded it wasn't.

    You're implying the Bible isn't authoritative about anything (slavery is effectively endorsed in the Torah and as far as we know was never condemned by Jesus or any of his disciples), so I don't know what you mean by "foundational" belief here. In what sense is there a foundation if everything is subject to evolving morals and new evidence?
     
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    I can only speak for my own belief because it's the only one I can safely admit is right for me.

    Okay, but you understand the point I was making no?

    The foundation of Christianity is not about law, but of forgiveness and love. The law can evolve once a Christian understands how to forgive and love.
     
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    Right for you? You could be talking about your favorite ice cream, art, music, drug of choice etc. If you think of religious belief as an aesthetic preference, or preferred "self help" method or whatever it obviously loses any objective significance.

    Yes, but I'm not sure you do.

    You're pretty much making up your own religion here, as previously noted incorporating your own personal common sense and giving it priority over any reasonable interpretation of the Bible.

    Which is great actually. If every fundamentalist in the world did that it would instantly be a better place. If radical Islamists approached their belief thinking individually rather than with a clan-authority mentality it would fall apart.
     
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    Wow! this forum is surely populated with more than it's rightful share of poorly informed atheist. They can not decipher the information available for themselves and are way too stubborn to hear from those that have. They cite ancient text from the Torah as ill advised teaching of Christianity. Then a guy tries to set him straight and he is charged with creating his own religions because his view doesn't match the ill informed atheist's notion.

    Christianity is about what Jesus was tiring to teach people, to live a less judgmental way and more forgiving than the law of the Romans and the ways of the Hebrews.

    Leviticus rails against the homosexual, and another ancient Rabbi, turned scribe, suggest stoning of the adulteress. The Torah is loaded with examples of when to use the rod on this or that perpetrator.. Including your own child, for his own good of course. All this included in the Old Testament, the front two thirds of the Bible. It seem the atheist can only read half a book because they never criticize the teachings of Jesus that comes in the New Testament. The last third of the book.

    The main theme that Jesus taught for the Good Christian is the way to heaven, through believe in him. All laid out in Romans. All too much for this man to accept, so according to some, I can not qualify as a Christian. So be it.

    But it seems to me that this is not the end, all of the rest of the teachings of Jesus are valid, good for men, good for his society. It makes a better world to live in when men follow these
    teachings. And I am please to see that some 80% of my countrymen accept and vouch for Christianity. Even most atheist will adhere to the common practices because they came to adulthood
    living with people that practice the common way even though they will not admit it.

    The main theme in the teachings of Jesus comes with three thoughts, in my humble opinion.

    . Judge not , and ye shall not be judged

    .Judgement is mine saith the lord. However, this is to difficult for men so at least they have to remember;

    . Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, saith the lord.

    Then there is the lack comment by Jesus on "lay on the Rod" which is significant by it's absents.

    I may not qualify as a Christian but I do see the good and I am glad for these teachings. I think of the Rod, when I hear of some jerk advocating or actually beating a child. Totally pisses me off.

    However, Christianity does not have a unique claim to these same concepts, the same principles can be found in Buddhist teaching, and Hindu. While the Islamic religion accepts the New Testament as a book in their religion, the Koran surely over rides it. They exclude and Judge a whole lot in that book.

    This is why I think the atheist position of religion is ridiculous, look around you, the teaching is apparent and good and it has not a damn thing to do with how strongly you believe in science!
    The modern day excessive faith in science is only practiced by people that are attempting to become upstanding member of the the New Clerisy. But science is not a religion
    nor are it's over active advocates capable of teaching society humanity ethics.
     
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    Weird... I thought this was a forum for people to express their opinions. Forgive me if this is place is only an informative site.


    um, if you agree what I was trying to make (about science evolving discover based on new evidence) then I find it funny that you would say I don't know. Lol


    Thank you, I would pass this "open mindedness" request to you. Try it sometime, it's pretty cool!
     
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    Not sure what you're referring to. My only point was if your personal religious belief isn't right for someone else it isn't objectively true.

    All I'm doing is pointing out that your approach invalidates the authority of the Bible, and any real significance to its historicity. It doesn't matter whether it is historically true or not - it's the life lessons that matter. It doesn't matter if Jesus was god or not because he had a lot of good advice on how to live, etc. If you are fine with all that so am I.

    MarAzul. TL and too boring DR
     
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    You mean Islam is also right for you, but you are scared to say so?

    barfo
     
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    If I agree with Islam, I would definitely say that.
     
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    You've stated so many things obliviously that it is hard to imagine what you are going for.

    This topic is like asking if a kid who thinks Superman is real can also believe that Batman is real too.
     
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    I thought you were gonna put me on ignore? You can't get enough of me I guess.

    As for your superman and batman response... I only support marvel. Try again kiddo
     
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    I don't know about Batman and Superman, but I was in a deli near Times Square last week and Elmo was in there with his head off, and I can tell you that Elmo is an unattractive young woman.

    barfo
     
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    Christians believing in life outside Earth are compatible with Christians who believe in life and are outside Earth.
     
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