Are the Blazers better with Brogdon instead of Dame?

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Blazers are better with Brogdon instead of Dame?

Poll closed Dec 5, 2023.
  1. Yes - Brogdon helps the Blazers win more than Dame

    20.9%
  2. No - Dame is better

    79.1%
  1. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

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    The people who only read the first 4 words of the title and then did additional mental gymnastics from there.

    Must. Blame. Dame.
     
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    blazerkor Well-Known Member

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    Just salty delusional people that want to convince themselves that Dame isn't great. Fucking ridiculous. Just more people acting like Dame is the significant other that dumped them. "He wasn't that good anyway, who needs him?" type of shit. Just lame.
     
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  3. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    What in the fuck is this thread
     
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  4. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    2023 is truly (hopefully) the low point in Blazer fandom.
     
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  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I avoided this thread because it’s a pointless exercise the truth is that neither Dame or Malcolm matter. The future is Scoot. Period. End of story.
     
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  6. SharpeScooterShooter

    SharpeScooterShooter SharpeShooter

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    And Shae.
     
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  7. kjironman1

    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    Had to check back in to see where the number is now? Up to 9?
    Can we get an even 10?
     
  8. Rastapopoulos

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  9. TBpup

    TBpup Writing Team

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    That is from the in-depth CBS article. The reporter pulled no punches and mentioned that the decade long honeymoon Dame enjoyed in Portland is over.
     
  10. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    A bit of a tacky analogy given his divorce...
     
  11. Rastapopoulos

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  12. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    True but Dame and Malcolm didn’t/don’t stand in the way or Shae’s development.
     
  13. TBpup

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    Well, since it was a quote about strictly basketball and the reality of his time here, I doubt the divorce was front of mind. They happen. No reason to jog up the court on defense like that for over a decade. They are just calling him out on it when he got a free pass here for years.
     
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    Kind of surprised there was about 100x as much discussion of what I intended this thread to be than thought I put into initially making it.

    I wasn't asking if the Dame trade was good or not or evaluating any other assets. I wasn't asking if the franchise is better now than before. I was only asking if Dame is switched out for just Malcolm are the Blazers better? I know this didn't happen and likely can't from a cap perspective but that was still the question I posed.

    The idea to create this thread was from having a realization that a lot of the things the Blazers were doing well and that Brogdon contributed would not happen if Dame were here in his place. So it became an actual legit question in my mind if we are better served with Brogdon whereas previously I never would've considered it possible that Brogdon could help a team more than Dame.

    Having a team with Dame crates a lot of challenges to build a winning group. I think we also saw with the trade market how few teams made sense as a Dame destination whereas Jrue and to a lesser extend Malcolm are highly desired by nearly every contending team in the league. In a sense this question is an extension of analyzing that dynamic.

    1. Dame has enormous liabilities on defense, this is the largest point and cannot be overstated.

    2. Dame requires a huge offensive role with very high usage, this takes away opportunities from many other teammates and for their growth. Also as a 10year team cornerstone we have players that might defer to Dame but without him have more potential to develop offensively.

    3. Dame style of play is a slow ISO heavy pick and role offensive scheme with little ball movement. That often doesn't maximize the play of other players.

    4. Dame can be trapped or have other defensive counters applied that greatly reduce his and the team effectiveness both in the regular season as well as the playoffs. A more diverse offense has fewer or none of these concerns.

    5. Dame poor defense didn't allow the Blazers to utilize any other one way offensive players successfully. In particular I look at the possibility of the Blazers being able to successfully add Ants offense back to this team when he is recovered. The Blazers can scheme for one bad defender but not two. But this could apply to Melo, Kanter, CJ, or future Blazers.
     
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  15. Whyachi

    Whyachi Well-Known Member

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    my answer is No, the Blazers are not better with Brogdan instead of Lillard. Malcolm already missed a few games (hammy), and Portland is probably still a sub .500 team with Malcolm running point.

    While Brogdon definitely helps Portland win, 99% of Blazer Land wants him traded for a draft pick. Winning is not helpful when the final goal is losing for the lottery.

    We enjoy Brogdon's competitive edge and crafty ball control. But the timing just isn't right to keep a skilled veteran. If the Front Office gets a phone call from a playoff team looking to upgrade their backcourt, that super shiny future draft pick(s) will hypnotize Blazers management. Zombie rebuild... must ..get... picks.
     
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  16. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yes, and I shall provide geometrical proof.

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    Perfect right angle there. Symmetry.

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    What a mess. Any fool can see that Lillard would cross the Blazers.

    barfo
     
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  17. PDXFonz

    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    But you forgot…

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